2012-07-22, 15:37 | Link #121 | |
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and that's just the characters we know about. given that we have seen a bunch of new characters from the past in this mass edo-tensei, i wouldn't be surprised to see something or someone new get unsealed from the reaper in addition to those we know. just a possibility |
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Then we have Naruto who is meant to be the next sage who will either bring the destruction of the world or a better version of it. In this chapter we see how the 10-tails is said to end the world, so it seems Naruto sometimes in the future will have temporarily the power of the 10-tails so that he can make the choice. I think it won't be now, right now Tobi has an imperfect 10-tails but Naruto also has the chakra of all those demons. Almost all, since he does not have the chakra of the 1-tails so i assume he will probably have the power to disrupt Tobi's jutsu but will not have the power to take over this thing and make his choice. I guess Kishimoto will only show a glimpse of what will be possible for Naruto and then interrupt the whole thing, as he did in other cases (most recently showing the perfect-Susano just for a moment). I mean right now there's not much of a choice, Naruto would not end the world. But if he has to choose for example at the end of his fight against Sasuke, after Sasuke killed his friends (Sakura,Kakashi,...) and he killed Sasuke in the end, in that case Naruto might be tempted to choose to end this world and bring everybody's soul into one entity and thus end all the pain that Naruto and the others had to suffer from. Last edited by Ero-Senn1n; 2012-07-22 at 15:57. |
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2012-07-23, 03:37 | Link #124 | |
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Now on the topic, i have another theory. it is kinda far-fetched but what if Tobi is Orochimaru's clone or creation? It would solve ( at least some what) the whole mystery about as how he knew about them both( kakashia and guy). Also Orochimaru was there when Jiraya first met pain. Maybe eventually Tobi split from Orochimaru or maybe he lost control of it. Unlikely but just thought i would mention it.
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2012-07-23, 10:10 | Link #125 | |
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2012-07-23, 11:35 | Link #126 | |
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And when he took off his mask to show Sasuke his identity, he was hit by Amaterasu, went into the shadow, then came back without a scratch. I assume he used Izanagi there too but what did he sacrifice. |
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2012-07-23, 12:32 | Link #128 | |
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2012-07-23, 20:46 | Link #129 | |
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I think there is more to what Tobi can do than we know. Itachi probably knew about both him having more than one eye implanted ( as he knew that is possible) and being able to use Inazagi. He probably either didn't know about all of Tobi's secretes or that was the only thing he could do and hoped it would work. He probably knew there is a chance that his plan would not work and that is why he gave the second eye to naruto for if and when he had to fight vs Sasuke. Itachi was a cautious Ninja imo. He never really underestimated any one and he always said all jutus have a counter and weakness. He knew that and thus implanted a few things. He probably knew he could have failed and there was a chance for Sasuke to go rogue. Thus he gave the Sharingan to Naruto. There is a possibility that Itachi didn't know about the extra eyes but imo he probably knew. I am personally very curious to figure out how he avoided Itachi's amaterasu too and i hope Kishi doesn't leave it to just speculations. Also there is the perfect vs imperfect versions of Inazagi. Tobi said what dazou used was not the perfect form and what he used was. But was it ever explained what is the difference between the two? Maybe ( my opinion/speculation) maybe the perfect Inazagi can be used at any time ( unlike danzou's Inazagi) . There is probably more to it .
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2012-07-24, 13:13 | Link #130 | |
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I think the problem with Danzo's Izanagi is that he had a time frame to use each eye. Remember the eyes would close even if he wasn't hit? It would go on for like 2 or 3 minutes before the eye would close regardless if he was hit or not. It wasn't explained, but i think thats it, and idk how else Tobi could have avoided the Amaterasu without using Izanagi, he was hit by it, and that fire never goes out, so he must have used it. |
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It's interesting how similar this would be to what we know of Orochimaru's immortality jutsu: in orochi's mind-world there are the souls of his past victims and the only difference between them and Orochi is that Orochi took control, except in Sasuke's case where Orochi's mind was sealed. But if all these souls were mixed together in one then we could get a "mish mash of personalities". Also Orochi coming out of a cursed seal can be similar to how Tobi's body was created, in the sense that a living person can be created that does not fade away as a normal kage bunshin would ( or the mind-bunshin of Kushina and Minato, which did fade away like a kage bunshin as it's chakra was consumed). Last edited by Ero-Senn1n; 2012-07-24 at 14:40. |
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given izanagi and izanami's horrible explanations when we were made aware of their existence, I'm not so sure kishi planned them out well from so long ago. they're one of the few things i dislike about the story on the whole. but i could be totally wrong about this for sure. it just seems like a precursor moment for the sharingan being able to undo reality |
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2012-07-24, 15:30 | Link #134 | |
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2012-07-24, 21:10 | Link #135 | ||
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Something less abstract is simply Tobi being Izuna.
The only piece lacking in this theory is Tobi's knowledge of Konoha's finests (which this chapter is only the lastest example). He doesn't only know stuff about Kakashi and Gai, he seems to know everything about Konoha. He immediately recognized the secret jutsu from Danzou's bodyguards to the point he knew who was behind the mask and the name of the man who had originally created the technique he used. He knew of Minato's teleporting seal, how it worked and that there was one on Kushina's belly, he knew how to bypass the security of Konoha's barrier and the ones of the Uchiha's secret room. He knew all about Itachi's secret mission and his intention toward Sasuke and he knew about the relation between Danzou and Orochimaru. It's in fact really hard to think of something he's not aware of. |
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^ I think your post here is great and all your points make sense. i'd just add one more piece that doesn't quite fit in with izuna and has been happening for a while. tobi never tries to take kakashi's MS. why would izuna not want that? I could see how obito or obito's dad (or Rin, but that's a dumb theory imo) would not want to take it, but izuna should have wanted it for his collection and tobi has had many opportunities to get it
edit: also on ch577 p7 madara speaks of izuna as pretty much useless except for his eyes and says he's dead. granted that could be a red herring, but i think that if tobi was izuna, madara wouldn't have said that. could just be a nonsense line though like how itachi said he wasn;t going to speak to sasuke and then they had about 100 (slight exaggeration =/ ) chapters together... |
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Also He had to turn the spell on and maintain it or he couldn't use it and it required a lot of chakra to maintain the spell. See when Itachi's Amaterasu's hit Tobi, he didn't use the seal/jutsu to turn on the Izanagi. Danzo had to to cast a seal/jutsu to turn it on and then use it. If Danzo wasn't in the seal/justus mode he couldn't use it. This is why i am saying there is a chance there is more to what Tobi can and can not do that we might not know yet. Quote:
Tobi also states that he was lucky to avoid the attack because he kept some secretes from Itachi ( i think this is related to how Itachi's amaterasu didn't work). i think it is fair to say that Itachi knew about Izanagi so maybe the secrete he was talking about wasn't Izanagi. Just my opinion . please tell me if i missed anything. It's been a long time since i read the manga too.
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The Chapter 595 thread has been opened. Please move all relevant discussions to the new thread.
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