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Suryce · 2013-07-15, 07:36

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Originally Posted by backbone

Ugh, still a bit conflicted while watching this show. I mean, this is supposed to be a show about manga, anime and the fun side of otaku culture. NOT CROSS-DRESSING TRAP AND GIRLS TALKING ABOUT GIRL PROBLEMS! It's no different than watching K-On!, Tamako, and whatever cute girls doing cute things out there (albeit with adult characters)! Jesus, i didn't come into this show for this kind of thing!

Apologize for the rant, but this isn't even remotely close to the original Genshiken that i used to watch and loved very much. Highly disappointing.

First Genshiken was about male otakus enjoying their things and dealing with their own problems.
Genshiken Nidaime is about female otakus enjoying their things and dealing with their own problems.

It's really the exact same idea with just a new cast of characters. If this was a moe show, the characters would cuddle and stuff instead of having normal relationships, and you wouldn't have a character like Yajima, fleshed out as a believable person with her own difficulties to overcome, instead of being made fun of for not being thin and cute like any main character for a moe show is expected to be.

jeroz · 2013-07-15, 07:47

Doesn't matter, this show has got a trap, it's now trash no matter what. Nah nah nah I can't hear you

/sarcasm

backbone · 2013-07-15, 08:02

^Well, nice way of summarizing other people's thought into a shallow, sarcastic comment

MeisterBabylon · 2013-07-15, 10:08

As for those who sense the increased "moe" appeal of the Nidaime, I'd tend to agree. I could feel that the producers were pushing that angle as far, far, faaar, as they could without actually infringing on what made each of them well, uniquely Genshiken. The rampant Bakamonogatari in this episode didn't help much (and I ROFL'd hard at Sue's performance this season, mirrors the Shion who sudden ups and makes a huge presence of herself in the 2nd season of Baka.)

(Yes, I deliberately spelt it as Baka.)

Whether they actually overdid the moe feelings or not is up for debate. It's not for me. They pushed it, but it always had a catch. The 2 newcomers were "rotten", one even downright fat. Which in contrast to Mio her fatness wasn't at all obvious, just the moe overload. The cutest, most moe performance is a guy (SO WHAT IF HE'S A GUY.)

They feel ordinary and not only that they resemble the anime circle I've become entrenched in. I think that's one of the beauties of the Genshiken series and that clearly isn't lost here. Yes there's more moe than before, what with the all-girl cast. It's not impossible: I certainly saw that happen once, when we got a whole lot of female regulars in a year while the few guys just huddled in one corner playing Starcraft 2. And the new members weren't K-on! airy, which again, another thing done right instead of selling out for merchandisables.

(It would be great if Figmas are made out of the newcomers! I'd want to see how they perform on the market!)

Nidaime is different, and rightly so; I feel the ride would be less enjoyable otherwise. Playing around with Ogiue was definitely what I wanted to see. So, with this opening, let's see where the studio takes us next!

KholdStare · 2013-07-15, 13:01

Man this anime is incredible so far.

Also, yes I feel more "moe" in Nidaime. But why do we even care really.

DorkingtonPugsly · 2013-07-15, 16:37

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Originally Posted by backbone

Yep, but i was talking about what the show has shown me so far, not about what will happen in the future eps that i still can't see for now

Yeah, I know, it's a bit unfortunate. I didn't really like the change either.

But I'm thinking the author just wanted a change, to write something a bit different. He ended his series but then came back to it later, and I'm guessing he just wanted to put together a story with some different characters doing different things, while further developing the older characters. If you write something for a good number of years you kinda get sick of it, somewhat.

And it does reflect the state of otaku culture in this era more so than the last did. I think that's one of the points.

creb · 2013-07-16, 20:53

Well, I'm still going to hedge my bets and say he's not really a trap, and that he is in fact an actual girl.

Soliloquy · 2013-07-17, 06:11

The only weak link for me in the new Genshiken series is Hato and Kuchiki. Then again I was never that enthusiastic about a trap character. As long as this character brings in some character development or some sort of interaction like I have seen from Episode 2, this series is just fine for me. I really didn't like episode 1 I guess because nothing really happened.

For me it doesn't matter if the main characters are going to be bunch of otaku girls and main guys like Sasahara or Madarame don't show up too often. If it doesn't devolve into K-on slice of life with sugary sweet stuff, I'd like this series. With the familiar staff, I think it will do fine without pandering too much to the core. I just want to see down to earth slice of life like Jellyfish Princess.

maximilianjenus · 2013-07-17, 18:15

cute girls doing cute things.

I amt rying to sell this show to that demographic, it seems to work until penis.

Malkuth · 2013-07-18, 09:04

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Originally Posted by maximilianjenus

cute girls doing cute things.

I amt rying to sell this show to that demographic, it seems to work until penis.

That's probably why they didn't show it

Utsuro no Hako · 2013-07-20, 14:38

Well, I hope everyone who worried that this series was going to be nothing more than K-on with fujoshi realizes they were completely and utterly wrong.

It's actually yaoi

Anh_Minh · 2013-07-20, 16:11

Maybe it's because I don't read yaoi, but I don't really see where Hato comes from with his Hato x Mada fantasies. He's totally the girl, so it'd be Mada x Hato.

GDiddy · 2013-07-20, 16:52

I love the fact that this show shows female fans in all of their glory:

That we can be perverted just like male otaku are

Clarste · 2013-07-20, 16:53

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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Maybe it's because I don't read yaoi, but I don't really see where Hato comes from with his Hato x Mada fantasies. He's totally the girl, so it'd be Mada x Hato.

Mada is the submissive type who backs down under pressure, a natural "bottom". It's really mostly about personality. Pretty much all the girls agreed on that immediately when they first met him. I think Ogiue did too last season.

Anh_Minh · 2013-07-20, 17:04

I dunno... He backs down when it comes to girls, to a point, but he's much more comfortable with guys. And since Hato was (in addition to being more feminine) the one who was all flustered, as opposed to Madarame's laid back attitude (which kinda looks like confidence, if you're going to fit it into a fantasy)...

Clarste · 2013-07-20, 17:09

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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

I dunno... He backs down when it comes to girls, to a point, but he's much more comfortable with guys. And since Hato was (in addition to being more feminine) the one who was all flustered, as opposed to Madarame's laid back attitude (which kinda looks like confidence, if you're going to fit it into a fantasy)...

Which is exactly why Hato switched her perspective on it halfway through.

Also, I just typed "her" by accident while thinking "his" so I'm going to preserve that.

Silverwyrm · 2013-07-20, 17:25

Well I'm not feeling this...moe...supposedly in this anime..maybe a little from hato, but thats kinda the joke. Too bad the other male in the group is the one genshiken character I hate, he never offered anything useful to the show imo...

In any case while so far I did enjoy the guys story more, I find the switch up interesting and still a good show. I'm liking it, but I adjust to anything pretty quickly sans sudden boy haircuts :< The time skip was a little odd at first but I feel they pulled out the essentials in a clean manner, I understand what happened in the time between easily enough.

HandofFate · 2013-07-20, 18:48

Episode 3 was enjoyable. Mada was a favorite of mine during the first cast near the end when he developed away from just a reg. otaku character. He's mainly the reason I'm still enjoything this relaunch.

His self-reflection and focus reminds me of oguie's and sasahara. Nice now that its finally his turn. Don't know what his voice was like before, but I'm liking the middle ground between 'stereotypical anime voice' and a somewhat more realistic speaking tone.

Haak · 2013-07-20, 19:18

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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

I dunno... He backs down when it comes to girls, to a point, but he's much more comfortable with guys. And since Hato was (in addition to being more feminine) the one who was all flustered, as opposed to Madarame's laid back attitude (which kinda looks like confidence, if you're going to fit it into a fantasy)...

You're totally getting into this, you know.

Utsuro no Hako · 2013-07-20, 22:18

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Originally Posted by Haak

You're totally getting into this, you know.

Madarame's such a sad sack that you just have to root for him when he gets a chance with a woman. Even when the woman has a weenie.

2013-07-15, 07:47	Link #122
jeroz Art Block Specialist Join Date: Jun 2007	Doesn't matter, this show has got a trap, it's now trash no matter what. Nah nah nah I can't hear you /sarcasm __________________ [TAC]

2013-07-15, 10:08	Link #124
MeisterBabylon ~ Your Smile ~ Author Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: 346Pro Age: 38	As for those who sense the increased "moe" appeal of the Nidaime, I'd tend to agree. I could feel that the producers were pushing that angle as far, far, faaar, as they could without actually infringing on what made each of them well, uniquely Genshiken. The rampant Bakamonogatari in this episode didn't help much (and I ROFL'd hard at Sue's performance this season, mirrors the Shion who sudden ups and makes a huge presence of herself in the 2nd season of Baka.) (Yes, I deliberately spelt it as Baka.) Whether they actually overdid the moe feelings or not is up for debate. It's not for me. They pushed it, but it always had a catch. The 2 newcomers were "rotten", one even downright fat. Which in contrast to Mio her fatness wasn't at all obvious, just the moe overload. The cutest, most moe performance is a guy (SO WHAT IF HE'S A GUY.) They feel ordinary and not only that they resemble the anime circle I've become entrenched in. I think that's one of the beauties of the Genshiken series and that clearly isn't lost here. Yes there's more moe than before, what with the all-girl cast. It's not impossible: I certainly saw that happen once, when we got a whole lot of female regulars in a year while the few guys just huddled in one corner playing Starcraft 2. And the new members weren't K-on! airy, which again, another thing done right instead of selling out for merchandisables. (It would be great if Figmas are made out of the newcomers! I'd want to see how they perform on the market!) Nidaime is different, and rightly so; I feel the ride would be less enjoyable otherwise. Playing around with Ogiue was definitely what I wanted to see. So, with this opening, let's see where the studio takes us next! __________________ 白露型駆逐艦の４番艦、夕立です。第三次ソロモン海戦では、けっこう頑張ったっぽい★？

2013-07-15, 13:01	Link #125
KholdStare ISML Technical Staff Graphic Designer Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Age: 35	Man this anime is incredible so far. Also, yes I feel more "moe" in Nidaime. But why do we even care really. __________________ Kholdy's MAL, ISML Chat, Saimoe Blog, Saimoe Wiki

2013-07-16, 20:53	Link #127
creb Hiding Under Your Bed Join Date: May 2008	Well, I'm still going to hedge my bets and say he's not really a trap, and that he is in fact an actual girl. __________________ http://myanimelist.net/animelist/creb http://myanimelist.net/mangalist/creb It feels like years since they've been updated, btw. Also, cake.

2013-07-17, 06:11	Link #128
Soliloquy 絶対領域に嵌り過ぎた。 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Trendy Backwater Age: 38	The only weak link for me in the new Genshiken series is Hato and Kuchiki. Then again I was never that enthusiastic about a trap character. As long as this character brings in some character development or some sort of interaction like I have seen from Episode 2, this series is just fine for me. I really didn't like episode 1 I guess because nothing really happened. For me it doesn't matter if the main characters are going to be bunch of otaku girls and main guys like Sasahara or Madarame don't show up too often. If it doesn't devolve into K-on slice of life with sugary sweet stuff, I'd like this series. With the familiar staff, I think it will do fine without pandering too much to the core. I just want to see down to earth slice of life like Jellyfish Princess. __________________ Zettai Ryouiki Addict

2013-07-15, 08:02	Link #123
backbone Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: East Asia Age: 32	^Well, nice way of summarizing other people's thought into a shallow, sarcastic comment

2013-07-17, 18:15	Link #129
maximilianjenus [E] Join Date: Mar 2008	cute girls doing cute things. I amt rying to sell this show to that demographic, it seems to work until penis.

2013-07-20, 14:38	Link #131
Utsuro no Hako Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011	Well, I hope everyone who worried that this series was going to be nothing more than K-on with fujoshi realizes they were completely and utterly wrong. It's actually yaoi

2013-07-20, 16:11	Link #132
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	Maybe it's because I don't read yaoi, but I don't really see where Hato comes from with his Hato x Mada fantasies. He's totally the girl, so it'd be Mada x Hato.

2013-07-20, 16:52	Link #133
GDiddy Sisterhood of the Desu Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: in a van by the river	I love the fact that this show shows female fans in all of their glory: That we can be perverted just like male otaku are __________________

2013-07-20, 17:04	Link #135
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	I dunno... He backs down when it comes to girls, to a point, but he's much more comfortable with guys. And since Hato was (in addition to being more feminine) the one who was all flustered, as opposed to Madarame's laid back attitude (which kinda looks like confidence, if you're going to fit it into a fantasy)...

2013-07-20, 17:25	Link #137
Silverwyrm Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Folsom, CA, USA Age: 38	Well I'm not feeling this...moe...supposedly in this anime..maybe a little from hato, but thats kinda the joke. Too bad the other male in the group is the one genshiken character I hate, he never offered anything useful to the show imo... In any case while so far I did enjoy the guys story more, I find the switch up interesting and still a good show. I'm liking it, but I adjust to anything pretty quickly sans sudden boy haircuts :< The time skip was a little odd at first but I feel they pulled out the essentials in a clean manner, I understand what happened in the time between easily enough.

2013-07-20, 18:48	Link #138
HandofFate Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006	Episode 3 was enjoyable. Mada was a favorite of mine during the first cast near the end when he developed away from just a reg. otaku character. He's mainly the reason I'm still enjoything this relaunch. His self-reflection and focus reminds me of oguie's and sasahara. Nice now that its finally his turn. Don't know what his voice was like before, but I'm liking the middle ground between 'stereotypical anime voice' and a somewhat more realistic speaking tone.