Kanon - 2006 - Episode 3 Discussion / Poll

[Skane]

Originally Posted by Lord Faust

~ Anyways I also foresee a huge request in Mai avatars, wallies and sigs next episode, I know for a fact I would be one. Damn I love ladies who put on an icy cold personality.

Oh rest assured, as a fan of Mai, I will be busy with avatar-making for her. Shiori seems to be a little left out in the avatar-making thread though. Most of what I have seen are Ayu, Nayuki and Makoto respectively.

Cheers.

[Richard 23]

Originally Posted by Lost

Oh, and that missing cake-shop part couldn't be more obvious! I'm sure it means something; but what??

It means no cake today.

Spoiler for not really:

Ayu Ayu will have to stick to taiyaki!

[Deathkillz]

Originally Posted by Skane

Oh rest assured, as a fan of Mai, I will be busy with avatar-making for her. Shiori seems to be a little left out in the avatar-making thread though. Most of what I have seen are Ayu, Nayuki and Makoto respectively.

Cheers.

ill take care of shiori shes been growing on me seeing the last scenes of her...

[Lost]

Nah, I think its somehow connected to what she lost.. Ah, moar taiyaki is always good. Ayu Ayu!

[aliensporebomb]

Originally Posted by Lilith

Ep 3
"Uguu~" Oh my God that scene where Yuiichi copies Ayu was just so cute it kills me. <3 My absolute favorite scene ever (I've replayed it several times already ). If there are 5 routes or whatever, I hope he ends up with Ayu. That girl is the best one.

YES!

Spoiler:

I laughed so hard when he did the first one that some of the water I
was drinking went right out my nose - it was just too much and then:

He did it again. Brilliant!

That's the way to get a girl! Make fun of her! Heh.

And Ayu comes up with the BEST EVER way to get rid of someone if you
have no interest in them:

Yuuichi: hey babe, can I get your cell phone number? (eyebrows rising)

Ayu: What's a cell phone?

WHAM! But I know why she said what she said.

Brilliant.

[FatPianoBoy]

Originally Posted by aliensporebomb

YES!

Spoiler:

And Ayu comes up with the BEST EVER way to get rid of someone if you
have no interest in them:

Yuuichi: hey , can I get your cell phone number? (eyebrows rising)

Ayu: What's a cell phone?

WHAM! But I know why she said what she said.

Brilliant.

Yuuichi = owned

There was so much foreshadowing here that I thought my head might explode. I have no idea what it's all about, but wow. They're getting less subtle about it, which may or may not be a good thing, but it does help it stick in your mind when you know it'll come up later.
FPB is still loving this show to bits.

[New/Old]

Originally Posted by Richard 23

It means no cake today.

Spoiler for not really:

Ayu Ayu will have to stick to taiyaki!

Heh heh.

[Yuelon]

Originally Posted by aliensporebomb

YES!

Spoiler:

I laughed so hard when he did the first one that some of the water I
was drinking went right out my nose - it was just too much and then:

He did it again. Brilliant!

That's the way to get a girl! Make fun of her! Heh.

And Ayu comes up with the BEST EVER way to get rid of someone if you
have no interest in them:

Yuuichi: hey babe, can I get your cell phone number? (eyebrows rising)

Ayu: What's a cell phone?

WHAM! But I know why she said what she said.

Brilliant.

Those two parts is the best of epi 3 it was truely funny
cant wait for more in 2 days!!! OMG

[Meophist]

Spoiler for Shiori:

The person Shiori was waiting for was Aizawa-kun, right? But, didn't she say that she didn't know what year "that person" was in? In the previous episode, I'm pretty sure that Aizawa announced that he was in the same year as Ayu, who said she was one year above Shiori. By using highly advanced mathematics(which I'm sure she's capable of), she should be able to conclude that Aizawa-kun was a 2nd year. So was she talking about somebody else? I've seen the older anime, but I don't remember anybody else she could be talking about.

[DanielSong39]

Shiori had to be waiting for...

Spoiler:

Kaori, her older sister. She was clearly bluffing when she said she didn't know which year that person was in.

[Richard 23]

Originally Posted by DanielSong39

Shiori had to be waiting for...

Spoiler:

Kaori, her older sister. She was clearly bluffing when she said she didn't know which year that person was in.

Spoiler for hardly:

I dunno. I kinda got the impression she was waiting for Yuuichi, but neither series thus far has made that clear. In my estimation she was waiting for him but was being coy about it.

Maybe someone who made it further through the game can clarify this.

I may have to play the game again soon using Haeleth's english patch but don't recall it being far enough along for me to gain any insight to what Shiroi was hinting to. Perhaps it never did. A minor plot point in my estimation.

And it was frustrating last time I played through when it reverted to the Japanese, which I cannot read. Machine translation just doesn't do the game justice.

[Skane]

Spoiler for minor spoiler:

Shiori was not waiting for Yuuichi. She was waiting for somebody else.

Spoiler for major spoiler:

Shiori was waiting for Kaori.

Spoiler for Read on and despair, mortal. For there will be no turning back once spoiled.:

She has a love of drama serials/stuff and tends to try and live her life as a drama as well. Hence the lies on her cold( she has something far more serious, but it still allows her to walk around in cold weather. A person having a cold would not be walking around in snow), the lie of not knowing the person's name, etc...

Yuuichi is a stranger to her so this enabled her to act her desired drama role onto him. With Yuuichi, Shiori was able to pretend that she was living a life just like in the dramas.

Cheers.

[todkapuz]

Originally Posted by Minoto

Spoiler for Foreshadowing:

It's interesting just how many big hints they're dropping so early in the story...I have to admit, I didn't fully understand some of Ayu's lines in the Toei version until now. And Makoto's actions were certainly not those of a human girl, though I do agree with the previous poster who noted that she resembled a squirrel more than a fox, particularly when she was hanging over the refrigerator door.

Spoiler for foreshadowing:

That is something that I've found really interesting and enjoyable watching this version... in EVERY episode so far they have had ALL the major charectors, in one form or another... and the opening dialouges make a sense than the previous anime version... (of course maybe it is just because I know the story now, but didnt then? I never really got what the dreams where before.. now its crystal clear) .... but not so much that I think people will immedaetly get it who have never seen the series before... or any of the other varirations... but it might help draw more connection to the series...

... I don't know, over all I really am enjoying this version a lot more, although it's sad, I go back and watch the old version again to see the differences. I cant wait to see how they fill in some of the gaps the other version had..

Spoiler for big one:

Spoiler for really:

I have to agree.. that wasn't very fox like.... but that being said, I was quite amused at the door-holding ability

All that being said... I think over all this episode was really good.

[Vexx]

Greetings, todkapuz ..... I spent the 80s working in Clear Lake so that flashed a few memories. The Ayu and Makoto implementations in this version of Kanon have been quite well done --- it'll be interesting to hear what first-timers say when its all over.

Now, off to browse for Mai art.....

[todkapuz]

Originally Posted by Vexx

Greetings, todkapuz ..... I spent the 80s working in Clear Lake so that flashed a few memories. The Ayu and Makoto implementations in this version of Kanon have been quite well done --- it'll be interesting to hear what first-timers say when its all over.

Now, off to browse for Mai art.....

Thanks... it's change a lot since then. But in some ways it hasn't.

I'll agree there. Already getting to see their charectors a little better, nice aspect of the longer format, not so much of a time consideration. I can't wait to see what they do with Mai. I have high hopes with Kyoani... they've done good so far in everything I've seen from them in the last few years.

[Meophist]

Originally Posted by Skane

Spoiler for minor spoiler:

Shiori was not waiting for Yuuichi. She was waiting for somebody else.

Spoiler for major spoiler:

Shiori was waiting for Kaori.

Spoiler for Read on and despair, mortal. For there will be no turning back once spoiled.:

She has a love of drama serials/stuff and tends to try and live her life as a drama as well. Hence the lies on her cold( she has something far more serious, but it still allows her to walk around in cold weather. A person having a cold would not be walking around in snow), the lie of not knowing the person's name, etc...

Yuuichi is a stranger to her so this enabled her to act her desired drama role onto him. With Yuuichi, Shiori was able to pretend that she was living a life just like in the dramas.

Cheers.

Spoiler for Shiori:

I know all that, it just seemed like she was waiting for Aizawa-kun then, not her sister. Especially in how she said "Mou iindesu". Besides, Aizawa was a "mystery person" to her, but since she saw him earlier in his school uniform, she probably knew which school he went to. From that, she probably went there to see if she can meet him again.

Besides, I can't really think of any reason why she would be waiting for Misaka Kaori.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Well here goes at last.

So first things first before we really get started. These girls are really just way too cute for there own good aren't they.

I'm going to break this down into two parts now, those being Presentation and Character/Plot Development.

Presentation:

What I like for certain was the music in the series, which reminds me of the composition from Chrono Cross. It doesn't lay it on heavey like series such as Shuffle!, but uses unintrusive harmless background music when the time is right, such to evoke a certain mood. I really love the ending and I like the opening as well, but I've actually listened to this ending at the end of every episode and only listened to the opening this one time. The art is of course excellent as well and combined The music and art side of the presentation gets definitely gets a five out of five.

Onto the voice acting. All the girls are excellent, specifically Shiori, but I absolutely positively cannot stand Sugita Tomakazu's voice. He either sounds like he is giving a cold read, or is far to impressed with him self at all times and its really annoying when I know Yuuichi is not supposed to be sounding like an arrogant jerk yet Tomakazu can't not do that. I'm going to give the voice acting a 3 out of 5 because of Tomakazu and if he didn't talk at all it would very likely get a perfect 5. As it stands Tomakazu can only hurt this series for me.

So overall the presentation gets an 8 out of 10.

Character/Plot Development:

I hate to do this, but after Yuuchi meeting each of these girls at least a couple of times we haven't learned much about any of them beyond some of their personality quirks and base character traits, thus I have to give the plot part a 0 out of 5 as it did not move forward at all this episode. I know for a fact this will change eventually, so as I break down my reviews expect to see 3's 4's and even 5's out of 5 in this category.

Onto Character. This is a different part from above as I feel the Plot is tied into the characters, but the Character being the stuff they do in the episode is the Character part of the equation versus what we know of them, which is the Plot side. I know I've confused myself with this, but I can't really explain it any better. There were some genuinely funny and cute moments in this episode such as Yuuichi dropping the food product down Makoto's pajama's and her freaking out and bouncing off the walls. Also Makoto's constant slapping of Yuuichi was kind of funny based on the fact it was so uncalled for and left him speechless more than a few times. Shiori's scene also was nice even if kind of pointless and I'm fairly curious to learn more about her. Also I want to be glomped by Ayu as it looks kind of fun. . Ahem... so because of the characters being somewhat lovable if a bit devoid of development, I'm going to give this part a 4 out of 5 giving the section a total of 4 out of 10

Once we add the 4 and the 8 we get 12 out of 20 which breaks down to a 6 out of 10. Not too shabby and quirky like a Seinfeld episode, but not really interesting either in terms of plot advancement. I'm sure this will change as the series goes on, but unfortunately I don't plan on watching episode 4 until at least Thursday evening. So that's that then. Sock it to me if you want.

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by Kaioshin_Sama

What I like for certain was the music in the series, which reminds me of the composition from Chrono Cross. It doesn't lay it on heavey like series such as Shuffle!, but uses unintrusive harmless background music when the time is right, such to evoke a certain mood.

At first I really hated the ordinary scene music (i.e. whatever was playing when there wasn't a dramatic scene going on). It just sounded way too game-ish to me. After having been spoiled with beautiful, orchestrated anime soundtracks, I thought for sure they could've come up with something better to go with the great art and animation. But once I started thinking of it in terms of old-school RPGs, I actually found the BGM to be nostalgic and kind of touching. There's at least one piece that screamed FFVII to me, although I can't recall when it first pops up in the series.

[Vexx]

Believe it or not, this reading of Yuuichi is pretty close to the game dialog (a bit cocky, witty to the point of smartass). You may also be corrupted by having heard Sugita's other acts (and frankly, Kyon is a parody of the Yuiichi archetype. His other characters have varying levels of sarcastic wit and it seems he may be enroute to be typecast --- though I'll say his performance when things get really tragic in this series seemed really good and showed he can do something other than sarcastic).

Interesting comments on the development and the characters ... actually thats one reason I've been hesitant to get my family to commit time to watch this --- it is a slow slice'o'life start and doesn't immediately rivet the viewer like some series. I'm saying that though I dearly love the show.