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The world purged by domination and countries taken over by stronger ones and by nature of the strongest rule all a mere pebble tries too and by gaining the power of the king it allows a turnaround to this even by the means of heading for the most oblivious path for just one smile.
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One more point, i think if it hasn't been mentioned yet because i didn't have the time to read all posts, is something about the definition of world peace.
The emperor and Marianne wanted the world as ONE - timeless, forever, and w/o any individuality (i really wanted to see what would happen if their plan became successful... sigh..) -- problems is people won't be people w/o their uniqueness. sure, there'd be no war but people would be like a lump of callous cells. I don't think he wanted lelouch as a successor. the reason why he doesn't value life anymore is because if Ragnarok was activated. there'd be nothing anymore. no status, no race, no CULTURE, no INDIVIDUALISM. -at least that's what I understood. Schneizel thought of having world peace by subjecting people to fear. Which is, i think everybody would agree with me on this, utterly wrong. *question-why doesn't he value his life??? it was mentioned by his loyal subject, forgot his name. Lelouch- only wanted peace for Nunally which as the series progressed, involved the whole world. *sigh-why did he die... or did he???? Lelouch i think understood the word HOPE most. What with Nunally being her sister and all. He used Zero as a symbol of hope for the people. Up until the last (most sad, tear-exhausting) episode, Zero's icon was used. And i think that hope is a path to world peace. In the end, the effect of the series on me is that there total world peace is impossible. It is human nature to fight, get power, destroy and be selfish. These things we can't erase. But it is also human nature to hope and strive for happiness. Thus, we can't have world peace but we can take the path toward it. it's like travelling on an unfinished bridge where peace is on the other side. the scenery is great, the breeze is refreshing, you meet good people along the way with the same hopes but in the end, you couldn't get to the other side. |
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I know it has been established time and again that Brittainians are 'bad' and the Black Knights are 'good' but is this view somewhat simplistic? I know not all of them are 'bad' and not all Jpaanese are 'good' but does not mean that they have to get everyone involved in the conflict between Japan and the Empire?
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Good and Evil are concepts that don't exist for me, so I have no trouble with viewing the characters in Code Geass as "grey". Lelouch is grey, Suzaku is grey and C.C. is grey. The same goes for Gino, Jeremiah and even Clovis. The only "white" character, in my opinion, would be Euphemia (errr, and Arthur, of course). But in the end, that's someone everyone has to decide for themselves.
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If we are talking about nobles and those who worked directly for the Empire, then yes, they usually weren't very nice - but that was mostly because of the system. Of course that doesn't mean Charles was the only one at fault, but I really wouldn't call any of the characters "evil". Britannia as a whole was definitely a very dark shade of grey, but not pitch black. "Evil" is always a matter of definition. For example, many people would say that Clovis was evil. But even though I see how someone would come to this conclusion, it doesn't really make sense to me. Not because I think he was the nicest guy around, but because whenever I hear "evil", I have to think about religion and something that consciously lives only for that single purpose: being evil. The philosophy of Code Geass (as I understood it), however, includes the notion that every human being is striving for happiness, and that this natural yearning can be used to bring out the good in people, which means no one is completely "evil"... or "good", for the matter. And then there was this "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" thing... I really liked that.
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No, but neither did they seem to mind that they where killing innocent women and children. That to me shows that Britannia simply isn't worth saving. |
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Code Geass's philosphy is simple.
There isn't any right or wrong in this world. As mentioned above, it's trying to implement that there's grey in this world. The terms good and evil are determined by an individual's beliefs. Like what Bradley said, if you kill in a city, you're a murderer, a criminal. If you kill in war, you're a warrior in your country, you're a soldier doing his job in every perspective. Similarly, if you implement your beliefs, and they are accepted, you're "right". If people do not agree, it is wrong. If it doesn't impact greatly, you're just an eccentric bastard. If it makes a great impact, turns out the negative way, you're an evil bastard. I have a feeling another anime was trying to portray this... coughdestinycough. But it kinda failed, and Code Geass turned out beautifully. Well anyway, that is all just me =p
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What your stating is that War Crimes are okay, because its war, and Taniguchi, and Okouchi are not stating that.I don't think Okouchi, and Taniguchi are trying to tell people to join the army and indescriminatly slaughter people. They where obviously people that where wrong in this series like Bradley, and Charles. |
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there is a very clear line between soldier and monster
its true that wars are made by politics and as such are almost always wrong in some way (few wars are completely legitemte) but the soldiers who actually do the fighting are still human granted that there is no universal standard for what is moral and what is not (while there are some things that anyone would agree to as a wrong thing) but there is a saying who's origin is lost to me im afraid "dont intentionally do things during wartime, that you know you wouldnt be able to live with during peace times"
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For example, I don't see why the soldiers who tried to kill Lelouch in the first episode would be worth saving. However, I feel very different about Clovis. People can tell me he's an evil bastard and that he deserved what he got, and yes, I'll probably know how they came to that conclusion, but I will still disagree. In the end, Lelouch thought the whole world was worth saving. I would not necessarily agree with that, but I definitely think he was a very admirable character... even though I'm aware that he, too, had his faults. Quote:
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I can adore Clovis and say that he had his good points without worshipping his every deed. In fact, I think someone should have kicked his butt as soon as he came to Area Eleven and started to change. But he is still very "grey" to me, and I strongly disagree with everyone who thinks that he was not worth saving.
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The Black Knights are right in their hatred of Britannia, who has massacred innocence. I don't get why people think Okouchi is somehow stating that its in Charles right to kill people, and that somehow Britannia isn't wrong. I think you guys should check out Turn A Gundam, and King Gainer to see how Okouchi actually writes villains who are sympathetic and portrayed as actually gray. |
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And shortly before the war, many of the Japanese were definitely racist. Which is understandable, but definitely not "white". Quote:
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And... oh well. This is really a matter of opinion, but they had a reason to deliberately portray Clovis as "grey".
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I wonder what happened to geass then? It seem like they wanted the Japanese to be the victims (which is why most of them survived). Turn A and Gainer to two great examples of his work (though the bad guys in King Gainer were just stupid and or misguided in Assuham's case ![]() |
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