2010-05-20, 22:43 | Link #14101 | |
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Then I seemed to have went a little too far with my hypothesis .... though I agree with you that different bloodlines would have particular strength's that stand out, the most.
About you're statements about the Shuzen family I think it's possible that the relations inside the family, are something like what you suggest Yoko Takeo. Quote:
Since, from what I noticed Tsukune keeps his youkai output at the lowest level possible, that won't make him become too overwhelmed against the opponent he fights against. Another thing to consider is that, while certainly this technique is effective, I think that manipulating the flow of his youki still takes time to do, so Tsukune might have to find something else to use when he faces an opponent that is more equal to Tsukune's level of strength. Simply said I think that if Tsukune faces off against a vampire, manipulating and compressing his youki might be something that will be Tsukune's disadvantage and could lead to his defeat. Of course I might have been over thinking this, but from what I noticed this might be one of Tsukune's weaknesses that he has to correct, before he wants to face off against a vampire or someone that is closer to Tsukune's innate level of strength. |
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2010-05-21, 01:17 | Link #14102 | |
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He almost turned into a ghoul back then, but not completely. Kurumu-s rack was enough to bring him back to himself the second time he turned. I doubt something like that would ever have worked the first time he turned. The fact her chest was able to bring him back the second time means that Tsukune's own consciousness wasn't completely drowned out by his demon energy the way it was during his first transformation. The second time he turned, it was simply a matter of more Youki leaking out of the seal that Tsukune could control. The fact he'd been knocked out at the time also contributes to his lack of control. |
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I agree with you as well that the reason why Tsukune went out of control was becuase, he used he used more youkai energy then he could control, but I think that Tsukune's stay in the human world, where he didin't have to use his ayashi power's also had an effect and might be the real reason why Tsukune went out of control for the second time. Last edited by Chris38; 2010-05-21 at 08:26. |
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2010-05-21, 12:06 | Link #14106 |
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What I'm kind of wondering about, because of all this talk about Tsukune's growth is how much Tsukune has to learn, before he reaches his true potential. I'm sure there is still a lot of things that he still has to do , but I don't think Tsukune is weak anymore.
I think that he already is stronger then all of the other girls in his harem, besides Inner Moka, which is no surprise, but I think Tsukune has already reached the level of an "average" vampire, since the last time we saw Tsukune using his power's he actually stopped a baby Phoenix (Rosario + Vampire Season II, Chapter 23, page 29), and we even know from Inner Moka that he could be even better then that, and should be able to defeat the Phoenix without her help (Rosario + Vampire Season II, Chapter 23, page 36). Let's also not forget that, during the Sun arc, Tsukune actually managed to hit a Siren (Rosario + Vampire Season II, Chapter 21, page 39), and while Tsukune still wasn't strong enough to beat Kanade his attack still had an effect on him which lead to Kanade being defeated by Sun (Rosario + Vampire Season II, Chapter 22, page 19) , and I believe even Inner Moka would have trouble defeating that kind of opponent on her own. So like I said before, I think that Tsukune has already reached the level of an average vampire, but he still has a lot to go, before he reaches Inner Moka's level of strength. Well probably the upcoming confrontation with Akuha will make us better understand Tsukune's current level , at least I hope we will see Tsukune in his vampire form in the current arc, since we hadn't seen Tsukune using his abilities for quite a long time and it would be nice if we could see Tsukune in his vampire form again. Last edited by Chris38; 2010-05-21 at 12:49. |
2010-05-21, 13:59 | Link #14107 |
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I agree with everything, but remember that the only reason Tsukune hit that Siren was because Tsun was using her song of protection. Tsukune would never have gotten close to him without her help. I'm actually tempted to say that even Moka wouldn't have managed to come close to him without Tsun's help.
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2010-05-21, 15:54 | Link #14108 | |
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2010-05-21, 21:31 | Link #14110 |
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Well, that's just dumb luck for Yusuke.
However, there is a difference between sonic attacks and magical sonic spells. That difference being that the "spell" requires one to be able to hear to be effective, and the other does not. For the practical sonic attack application, it would be similar in practice to firing a powerful microwave blast at someone, and at certain frequencies it would be meant to break the victims skin cells causing micro skin lacerations, and damage blood cells that would be near the skin surface, mimicking anemia to the victim because the cells wouldn't be able to do their job anymore and would need to be disposed of and replaced. Other types of damage could go as far as the victims bones to basically weaken them to the point of making them very fragile. However, this could also be used to strengthen the bones if done a certain way, and over a long period of time, like the bone strengthening martial artists use to their advantage for being able to pull off breaking bricks and whatnot. I would say that the sonic attacks that "god" and Sun were doing, were probably a combination of the two, magic and practical, for it to be able to be recorded and used as if the "singer" were there, and the other way to actually have effects on the surrounding environment. And it seems there was another ability there as well of being able to open temporary spacial portals, which was used to summon those fish people during that particular fight. So the possibilities are quite broad for any number of the powers that the creatures encountered thus far may have. Heck, we don't even know if Moka is even using her full potential either. When you have power to spare like she does, you'd think that she wouldn't limit herself to using it in hand-to-hand combat only, or just healing or just speed. My biggest gripe is that she has absolutely NO ranged combat ability whatsoever, and if she does, she hasn't made it known yet. She would have no way to counter attack if someone were shooting at her from the other side of say, The Grand Canyon, or similar large crevice. She might be able to jump over it if she really tried, but I think that air resistance would make her fall short, and I don't think she could launch herself at the speed of a bullet to do so, and even then she'd be a sitting duck while in flight. Plus if she was levitated before landing to prevent her from touching the ground, she'd be in real trouble.
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2010-05-21, 22:06 | Link #14113 |
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It's actually quite easy to kill a vampire with a gun: headshot
It seems youkai are probably just as vulnerable to firearms as humans in the R+V world. Of course, youkai would have speed and various advantages over a human but any youkai would be hard pressed to survive 2 to the chest depending on caliber. A 9mm might not do much damage even to a human but a .45 would do some grave damage human or youkai. You have to remember that even vampires in R+V can die - if Kahlua didn't stop fighting Moka, her crushed internal organs would have killed her. |
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When that guy had appeared for the second time ... I thought he would be at least some kind of challenge for Tsukune, but it seems the author used him for the comedy aspect. About the bit with Kahula ... I think it's the perfect example of how messed up vampires are, since if Miyabi hadn't stopped Kahula, she certainly would die, but Moka's injuries would probably die along with her. It really makes me worried how the author is going to resolve the separation inside the Shuzen family with Moka and Kokoa taking Tsukune's side and the rest of their family being on the side of Fairy Tale ... if Moka's fight with Kahula was any indication of how things would go in the future ... I fear that before this conflict ends Moka will probably have to kill the rest of her family .... since I don't think a discussion with the rest of her family is going to have any effect ... and I can't find something else that could resolve this ... problem. |
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2010-05-21, 23:08 | Link #14115 | |
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2010-05-21, 23:25 | Link #14116 | |
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Hopefully I'm over reacting about this and the author will find some way of ending this peacefully, but currently I don't see something like that happening. |
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2010-05-22, 09:37 | Link #14117 |
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Hahaha!!! LOL!
I was thinking of that of Yusuke all through out the YuyuHakusho series. The's not a boy with with a strange fate, but with dumb luck. Well anyways just week or 2 we'll have the next chapter hopefully. Akuha/Aqua is starting to grow on me, though I still need to see her teen design, the loli one is cute.
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2010-05-22, 16:35 | Link #14118 |
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I have a feeling that Akuha won't be fighting in the upcoming events. I think it'll be more of an introduction with a little violence and whit.
Anyway. I just notice that this thread is close to having 1 million views
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Remember, never underestimate the power of dumb luck. Take Irresponsible Captain Tyler, if you've ever seen that series
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