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However in EP1, EP2, EP3 and EP4 they are not even able to realize the plan because somehow the got killed by someone first. The fact that in EP2 we find red painted hands on Natsuhi's door even though she dies on the 1st Twilight is a clear sign that those who wants to fake the deaths are not related to the real culprit/s.
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2010-07-19, 04:10 | Link #14165 | |
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In fact Natsuhi and Krauss obviously never fakes their death, it is just that they get killed xD
The siblings plan to fake the 1st twilight but it actually never happens, since they are killed before they do it. Probably, since it is an emergency option, they wait for the day after to do it and first the try with other methods (frighten Natsuhi with the paintings on the door and stuff like that). Quote:
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To be completely comical it could just be Maria running around with finger paints...
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Sorry to go off-topic but...
I have been reading EP3 and...why is nobody doing a Beatrice-3 theory ? Because...it's weird, the Beatrice at the beginning of the EP and the one in Rosa's flashback are...totally not the same. Let's call the Beatrice at the beginning of EP3 Beato-3. Beatrice-2 : In Kuwadorian. Beatrice-3 : In Kuwadorian. Beatrice-2 : This is the world of 1967. Beatrice-3 : ??????. If we assume that it was the beginning of Beatrice, it would be 1000 years ago...But it's nearly impossible that Kuwadorian and Kumasawa/Virgila were here 1000 years ago. Beatrice-2 : Calls Kinzo "Father". Beatrice-3 : Calls Kinzo "Grandfather". Beatrice-2 : Beatrice=Herself. Beatrice-3 : Beatrice=Virgilia/Kumasawa. Beatrice-2 : Cannot use magic. Beatrice-3 : Will learn magic. Before the death of Beatrice-2, she gave birth to a Beatrice-3. She would be 19 years old. This Beatrice-3 could also be the person in the EP7 portrait. Also, the presence of Kumasawa would means that she knows nearly everything, and it's not weird at all because of the TIPS (Oh I wrote RIP first, sorry Kumasawa). But it would mean that she is a "17th person" and we will need a theory to lower the number of people (Shkanon is not the only thing in the world). Or maybe she is someone on the island in disguise. I've never seen something about this so...I try. |
2010-07-19, 04:50 | Link #14168 |
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In my opinion the only FT that may be faked in ep1-4 is the ep4 one. In ep1 Battler takes a close look to most of the corpses, same in ep2, where there is also the red. Ep3 actually feels strange, i think that the adults are lying but the servants are actually dead for good. Ep4 is the only one we don't really know anything about...
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In short, I don't believe that people belong to one faction only. I believe that probably a lot of them belong to two. Like, we already know the servants are up to some kind of hijinks so; most of them belong to two groups, Natsuhi's group and their own. For example, Nanjo lies about playing chess with Kinzo in his study... which suits Natsuhi, but then he lies about not seeing Kinzo wearing the ring later. Which probably made Natsuhi go.. "!!!" And then there's probably a person working with the servants that belong to his/her own faction to betray them... etc, etc. So I use the faction term to represent more of like a conspiracy or a strong will to do something. Just that the faction members are not as clear cut. Quote:
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Anyways as with EP3, there's a red to say that they are dead by the time they are discovered; the morning. But in EP3 as in EP6 the clue that they were faking to start with is that everyone was in comfortable positions. There's still the matter of the closed room construction; now with a blocked boiler room door. But once again it changes the time of the murder to 10pm - 6am and makes it easier for people to kill. Assuming we can defeat the closed room issue that is. I have a feeling that's more related to the closed room issue of EP6 than the faking as seen in EP5-6. This is all assuming we can trust the red text that says people are dead. We know there's some kind of problem for Kanon at least... I keep thinking about what Jan-Poo said. Eva-B's red: "No life forms other than humans have any connection to this game." It makes it all so easy and tempting that it's 'dead' from in a 'game.' Ugh... Quote:
1. They would need to produce the body of Kinzo to fake in EP3. 2. They would then need to be in league with all the servants for that body + their willingness to fake in EP1, 3, and 4. Plus also to prepare the materials on hand for the faking. 3. They would need the co-operation of Krauss and Natsuhi themselves in various episodes, EP1, 2, 4 and 6... If the siblings were doing it in order to reveal the death of Kinzo, simply producing the body is good enough, right? |
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2010-07-19, 04:55 | Link #14171 |
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That's because the only real difference between them is one calls someone grandfather and the other calls Kinzo father. And actually we don't know the grandfather is Kinzo. The tips themselves also say Beatrice is a title.
Also I thought it was clear by now that the 1000 years thing was a metaphor for 6 years of torture. Beatrice 1 doesn't have to literally 1000 years old. Kinzo would have never met her then.
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2010-07-19, 05:05 | Link #14174 | |
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Someone dug up Kinzo because they knew the Anti-Krauss faction plans to do that and present the corpse! That doesn't mean the FFT always results from the same plan in every game.
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2010-07-19, 05:05 | Link #14175 |
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Well...no, but the thing is that if there is a Beatrice-3, she could be 19 years old.
Then Battler could have discovered Kuwadorian 6 years ago, talk to Beatrice-3, she falls in love and then...Battler doesn't remember...it's simple...but yeah I would agree with people that says that it is TOO much simple. |
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2010-07-19, 05:09 | Link #14177 |
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The problem with it is not that it's too simple. It makes easily the most narrative sense among the entirety of all major theories. The problem is the annoying amounts of evidence making it jump through hoops to stay alive.
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That entire conversation is about how the number "19" is so special because it appears so often. EDIT: And before you ask "is Battler 19?" I think he's a year older in meta time.
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2010-07-19, 05:26 | Link #14180 |
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I find it funny that people still try and make human Beatrice theories when Ronove and the witches ridicule the idea constantly. Especially with the Purupurupiko man comment in chiru. These people are just gluttons for punishment.
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