2010-01-09, 20:42 | Link #1481 | |
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you even dig that up chaos? WoW..... I was to amaze at looking in c77 doujin and cosplayers I don't have much time to post a long one.
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And anything you throw to him is useless as long as its within the range of computing skills of the misaka network. He still got weakness. take vent for example and the angels and artificial one. And also I think the saint has a way to deal with him. If you ask me the rank 1 and 2 are already saint class. With "awakened mode" their a bit stronger than your common saint. Given that accelerator haven't deal yet with the magician if he suddenly encounter a strong one and got KO'ed one hit kill then his dead. Without knowing what will hit him or hit him he can't control it. |
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2010-01-09, 21:13 | Link #1482 |
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http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/in...hapter7#Part_4
New chapters translated, Touma meets Vent of the Front. |
2010-01-09, 22:54 | Link #1483 |
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I don't think you fully grasp what it means to control "vectors". A vector can be used to represent the mass of a rock. If he can "alter" that vector then he could change the size of anything he touches. If he sets a vector to represent the density of the matter he is touching, he could make a black hole etc.
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2010-01-09, 23:11 | Link #1484 |
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No I don't think accelerator can alter the size of the rock.
"one who carries" A vector is what is needed to "carry" the point A to the point B; The vector that accelerator can control is just as the vector say. magnitude and direction but the thing is his almighty control comes on the flow or which direction he will make it go. His power doesn't allow to change the magnitude of the matter just the control of it as it. He can break it apart and assemble it but altering its composition alone. Is not in his jurisdiction. Its more like alchemy if you ask me. The black hole thing is possible due to it works almost the same when he summons the plasma. He change the flow of the wind to a certain point. Like a black hole that sucks anything to a certain point. "just total control on where he wants it to go" |
2010-01-09, 23:17 | Link #1485 |
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Oh, so its "kinetic energy" control? I thought he controlled energy conversions such as heat etc.? I guess heat is just quantum kinetic energy, but this is stretching it. Can anyone else confirm that its only kinetic vectors that he can control?
Anyhow, if he just controls "vectors" in general that would give him infinite possibilities. Sure, a vector in physics usually means magnitude and direction, but this can mean many things. It can mean velocity, acceleration or force, just to name a few. It can get even more ridiculous that that. For example, we have vectors in the imaginary plane allowing us to calculate the imaginary roots of numbers. Now, if Accelerator wanted to use vectors to represent changes in mass vs volume, he could easily make the rock as big as he wanted to by altering the "mass/volume vector". |
2010-01-09, 23:24 | Link #1487 |
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no he can't control conversions of heat just where the heat will go. Accumulate it in certain point to increase its temperature or disperse it.
Acceleration just what his given title is but he can't increase its speed. I read it here before but the thing is he can't increase its speed BUT he can force all its direction into a single one making it stronger and faster than before but he cannot alter one vector value. NO ALTERING just pure control of directions. Giving him altering power over its mass will be to much. How can touma even win against him in his prime days if he can just change the mass. |
2010-01-09, 23:35 | Link #1488 | ||
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Electricity - functions on the basis that charged particles want to be neutral. As a result, negative particles want to go to a highly charged area. If Accelerator pushes the direction of the particles in one direction, as soon as its out of his control it will immediately turn around. Being able to control the direction of electricity requires being able to control the charge of his body - he has to make his body so negatively charged that the electrons would literally jump off his body onto his target. He can probably negate electricity, but he certainly can't shoot it out. Heat - Heat transfer is from particle to particle. As soon as Accelerator transfers it to the nearest atom heat is now out of his control. Again, maybe he can negate heat attacks but he certainly can't shoot it out. Kinetic, Sound, Light and Radiation seem pretty reliable to me though. After all, sound is directly related to kinetic energy and light/radiation can be linked to kinetic energy when they are acting as particles (iffy, but whatever. Light's weird anyways). Quote:
He must be able to increase speed, otherwise the feats he's been accomplishing so far can't be possible. My guess is that his ability to create his own force is just limited by his calculation abilities? Assuming this is right I'm guessing he can only create simple kinetic vectors, because the other vectors would take too long to calculate? It's a lot simpler to reflect heat than to actually think it up; heat is really complicated. What do you think? Last edited by babohtea; 2010-01-09 at 23:53. |
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2010-01-09, 23:42 | Link #1489 |
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he can't shoot it out. Just like when he dispersed railgun. Mikoto hit him with railgun but it didn't bounce instead it dispersed into nothing.
As for heat.... I'm not sure but if its fire with a solid medium where it burns then he can control its direction. His ability just let him change its direction by contact after it. The initial force and the additional or accumulate force will be the initial or rather its speed and force of the matter he just control. |
2010-01-10, 00:02 | Link #1490 | |
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In the case of heat, he can't really control heat by itself. If there's a fire burning however, that's a different story. He could use wind to blow fire. However, he can't really transfer the heat of the earth's core into his enemies' feet, even if he was directly touching the lava. He might be able to splatter some lava by accelerating it, but he can't literally use heat. I *guess* he can use wind to help launch stationary objects. Again, if the wind that day is really slow though he can't do anything with it unless we know he can create his own basic forces somehow. |
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2010-01-10, 00:15 | Link #1491 |
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The railgun that is but the railgun mikoto using having a token bullet can only run for 50 meters max.After it the power acting on the token will be to much and the token will disintegrate.
If the initial impact is been thwarted do you think that tiny token can take on much damage? |
2010-01-10, 00:31 | Link #1492 |
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I guess you can say that the part where he reflected Imouto's attack is a screw-up.
And he never controlled the flow of heat. He's just immune from it. As for the other part: Realize, though, that Accelerator easily breaks the conservation of momentum. He can look at a still object and say "Oh, that's composed of two opposing momentums. I'll just reflect one of them so it goes twice as fast." As for when he kicked the pebble so fast, or when he threw that steel girder so easily, he probably doubled his forces constantly, and could've applied gravity while in contact. You can accept it when you know that he could've done much more by controlling math. |
2010-01-10, 00:42 | Link #1493 |
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Yeah but the earth is spinning at over 800,000 kilometers per hour through the universe (factoring in the sun's orbit as well as the earth's orbit as well as rotation). If Accelerator takes a chunk of that with his ability to mess up the conservation of momentum its pretty much good game.
I think he must be able to create his own forces somehow, or maybe he physically pushes it and then follows up with wind power. Breaking the conservation of momentum wouldn't work because if he takes the two opposite forces and puts them in the same direction, another opposite reaction will just neutralize it immediately. |
2010-01-10, 01:18 | Link #1494 |
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How can he mess up the revolution and rotation of the earth itself if he can't touch it directly?
How does the earth revolve the sun to begin with? isn't it due to the magnetic force or something that acts with earth revolving in its own orbit? Too bad his ability doesn't make him create his own force but he can use his own power to do so. Like when he fought touma or rather when he usually uses the gound as an attack ability. he kicks it and every thing that vibrates he can change its force with the help also of gravitiy acting polar + the initial fall ..... to much explanation. back in looking at c77. |
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Wrong. Vectors contain direction and magnitude. Quoting from wikipedia:
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In order to analyze an ability, you have to put yourself in the user's shoes. How does he see the world? How does he apply and input his calculations to physical objects? Well... His basic power is redirection. His AIM field only extends a few units of length from his skin. This power is also called vector manipulation because he can change the magnitude and direction of any particle within his AIM field. To illustrate, here are a few theoretical applications of his ability: BasicBasically, he can do anything short of creating something from nothing (locally, as in only within his AIM field). And yes, he can make opposite forces follow one vector direction, though this isn't even needed. All he has to do is set the [kinetic] properties of existing objects, similar to modding a game (he changes one quantity, and the world's physics engine behaves accordingly). That's why most fans call him a cheater.
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2010-01-10, 07:22 | Link #1496 |
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Look people, lets make this very simple- If it has a direction, or if it's something that he can touch, or if it's something that generally can affect him, the moment it comes into contact with his AIM field, anything less complicating than a Nuclear Blast (Not proven, but constantly mentioned) , Accelerator can choose whatever way he wants it to go.
Yes, it's rule breaking, even the characters think so. But that's why he's Number 1, that's why hundreds of people want to study him, and that's why his powers are described as "He who wields a piece of power that equates to god."
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2010-01-10, 11:18 | Link #1497 |
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I understand what you're saying, but I was just arguing a point. We use vectors in imaginary number calculation. Does an imaginary number have a direction? No, not really. However, if you change the direction of an imaginary number in trig form you change the number itself. I'm not saying that Accelerator's powers go beyond literal direction into the intangible, it was just to demonstrate that "redirecting vectors" is too vague, and his powers seem to go beyond that.
By the way, he can't really heat anything outside his AIM field. Again, heat transfers occur between each and every molecule in a medium. He can only direct heat to a certain point. After that it basically disperses in every direction. Ugh, I know all the superpowers are supposed to break physics in one or another, but Accelerator is like violating all of Newton's laws of physics. What are we going to do if we find out he can modify quantum particles and they actually affect the "normal world"? Antimatter, control over gravity and time. =(. Oh well, at least his brain needs to keep up with that. I don't think he could possibly be smart enough to understand something in his head that hundreds of thousands of scientists still don't understand today. |
2010-01-10, 13:14 | Link #1499 |
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about Harem disscusion
look: Last Order meets with #10032 Last Order steals #10032's headgear and disappears #10032 gives pursuit Touma is lounging in the mini-plaza while Mikoto and Kuroko are handling the mobile phone service #10032 meets with Touma Obviously - "it's the plan" - so #10032 could'nt hide any feeling from root of MisakaNet(Last Order) |
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