2010-03-15, 15:33 | Link #1501 | |
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As others have said we knew Hohenheim has been planning things for months (actually it's probably been more like years). We've also known about the strong connection between the body & the soul well before Hohenheim told it to us again in this chapter. Anyways as awesome the Bradley/Scar finale was in this chapter. I think my favorite moment was Ed & Al supporting Hohenheim. I love the whole thing of the kids & adults working together in FMA & it has an added layer of them supporting each other like a family (despite the fact that the relationship has been broken for so long). I also loved Mei in this chapter, but then I always love Mei.
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As I'm sure you've noticed by now I rarely do as well and think very highly of it, but this chapter just didn't do it for me. And the main reason would be Father. I'd always thought he was much too underexposed and underdeveloped to be the final villain of the series, yet when chapter 104 ended I was sure Arakawa would make up for it in the following chapter. He'd just made god a part of himself, it was his time to shine and prove that he was a worthy villain after all. Yet just 25 pages later, he's already nerfed back to normal, making his so called godhood pretty much pointless. I mean we got absolutely nothing out of his character. No motives. Why did he seek to obtain god's power? What did he intend to use it for? Why did he take on that form? Nothing. It's like Arakawa's telling us that the main villain's character doesn't even matter. That he's only there to serve as a foil for the heroes and make them look good when they inevitably defeat him. I suppose since he's not down just yet, there is still a slight chance for him to prove himself as a worthy final boss, but at the (rushed) pace this is going, I highly doubt it. I fully expect Pride to be taken care of within the first 25 pages next chapter and by the end of it Father should neatly and easily follow him. Poor guy, he had less screentime than pretty much all of his flunkies and his awaited moment of glory lasted like... 15 pages. So yeah, that's why. Another thing I didn't like was FMA suddenly turning into DBZ of course. Kamehames and Spirit Bombs were all over the chapter and, well, it just didn't feel right. It wasn't all bad, since the parts with Wrath and Scar were pretty good, but still, everything is going as expected. For a series pretty much famous for its unpredictability, the ending sure is following the most obvious route. Chapter 104 was the perfect example of how FMA sets itself apart from its fellow shounen series, yet this one did everything like one. That last page just reeked of generic shounen hero's comeback too. I don't know... maybe I expected too much. I'll wait and see what happens next chapter. |
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2010-03-16, 14:44 | Link #1503 | ||
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A few months ago people complained that scenes were dragged out now you are complaining that scenes are too rushed. Well you obviously can't please everyone all the time. Quote:
Sorry it would be typical shounen if Father gloated and waited for them to come up with a counter attack instead he attacked immediately and Hohenheim naturally started his counterattack because there was no time to waste. This is a matter of life & death and the pace should be fast to reflect that. edit: Changed most powerful being to perfect being since I think that describes it better.
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2010-03-16, 15:15 | Link #1504 | ||
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And what he wanted was hinted a long time ago back in chapter 53 when Ed looked at the mural that said "bring god down to Earth". Quote:
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2010-03-16, 17:25 | Link #1506 |
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I still get the sinking feeling that we'll never find out (i guess i'd just kinda like it that way), though that isn't really Arakawa's style. If we're going to find out, then i'm sure it'll be towards the end of Father's destruction. If it plays out that way that is.
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2010-03-16, 17:53 | Link #1507 | |
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I always had a feeling that Father was somehow once associated with the Doors of Truth.
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2010-03-16, 17:59 | Link #1508 | |
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Would be an interesting connection, plus it would save something completely new being brought into the story to explain Father's original creation. Not that i would mind something new, though with only a few chapters left, it may save sometime. We shall see anyway.
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2010-03-16, 21:19 | Link #1511 |
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Chapter 105 felt like it was going to last forever. So many pages. I'm glad Father didn't mess about and tried to finish everyone off quickly. But then Hohenheim comes and acts all cool.
I didn't really think the 'everyone can have their soul back all nice and easy' was too bad. It's got to end, and yet she's delivering 60+ pages. That's like an extra chapter when she's done another 3 chapters, if she carries on delivering that many pages. I'm really feeling sad for Roy, he's my favourite character and yet he's just... blind. Shame he can't just kick some arse now that Father has been weakened. What Hohenheim was saying about the souls going back to their bodies like magnets I thought what would Al's situation be like? His body has been untouched, sat waiting for him. I wonder how they're gonna get it back. And I wonder if Ed actually does get back his arm and leg. This is why this whole quest started in the first place... ha. |
2010-03-16, 21:33 | Link #1512 | |
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And speaking of character, I disagree with your characterization of FMA as a "dark fantasy". It's a fantasy where dark things happen (just like—hello!—reality), and that is most definitely not the same thing. There has always been a strong undercurrent of hope, redemption, and forgiveness, from Ed and Al searching for their bodies, to Rosé and her fellow Liorans rising up from a horrible situation they arguably allowed themselves to be put in, to Scar's saving an entire country full of people whose leaders destroyed his own people. When you get down to it, the dark things (the Tuckers come to mind) are by far the exception. I think that when people look back at this series, the defining moment won't be the death of Maes Hughes, or Greed coming to terms with his humanity, or the final battle, it'll be Envy killing himself out of disgust after Ed proved himself nowhere near the monster the little parasite always assumed all humans were. Well, that or the last Bradley fight (yes I'm calling him "Bradley", not "Wrath", as it's no coincidence that the most human of all the Homunculi was hardest to kill). God, does that have the opportunity to be glorious once it gets animated... ^_^ Don't worry. I guarantee he's got at least one more CMoA left in him. Only question is what form it takes.
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2010-03-16, 21:47 | Link #1513 | |
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On another note I do agree that Wrath turned out to be the best villain in the series. That doesn't mean I dislike Father (I even find something humorous in his emotionless state and how he takes everything so calmly). Just in comparison to Father, Wrath was the more compelling villain. But so what? I don't think there is a rule that the main villain has to be the most interesting. As for Father my favorite thing about him was when he compared humans to bugs. He doesn't think of himself as evil just like we don't when we crush those little things under our feet. Father obviously looks at himself way above humans. The only thing they are useful for is his own needs.
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And that's just how it is, if a person tends to praise every single chapter as amazing and flawless then I tend to assume that their standards aren't very high. Sorry if that offends you. Quote:
It's not just Wrath either. Kimblee, Envy and Pride too were much more interesting and compelling antagonists and that is reflected in their much higher popularity amongst the fans. Like I said, Father had always been underdeveloped and underexposed, so he really needed a good showing in this final showdown to prove himself worthy of his important position in the story. But unfortunately he didn't get it. This chapter did absolutely nothing for his character. He's basically just an avatar of generic evil for the heroes to beat up and look cool doing it. Like Gluttony was. And yes you have the right to disagree with that, but it's very clear to me that that's how it is. Quote:
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2010-03-17, 01:43 | Link #1516 | |
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As for Father no I don't find him to be the deepest villain of all time but he was still a fun villain for me. I don't really care that you don't think Father is a worthy enough adversary. Nor do I agree that it's all about the characters looking cool defeating Father. It's about why they defeat Father not how. Scenes like Ed & Al supporting their dad, Scar being the one to activate the circle that brings back alchemy symbolize a lot for me and highlight why I love the series.
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The FMA manga is really good. I love the way Arakawa storyboards her fights. There way the panels flow, and the action transitions, make the fights very entertaining to read. I'm not posting as much as I should about FMA, but mostly because I've completely stopped following Brotherhood, and I don't really want to comment on the manga much from month to month because it's clear that this is one continuous finale arc and I think I'll reverse my comments and analysis for the manga when it concludes and I can dissect the best parts which worked, and the weakest parts which didn't quite meet my expectations.
Either way, this month's chapter definitely ties things up quite a bit and it's clear we're pretty much at the climax now. The question is whether I get to see Ed beat Pride up so badly he runs to daddy and cries... literally. |
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Speaking of Pride, I wonder if he'll learn of Wrath's death and what his reaction would be. I mean since he does care for his mother then I'd assume that his father would also be slightly important to him.
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