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And this discussion likely would have ended pages ago, if the 2014 design defenders like yourself could just say "Ok, I get it. I can understand somebody preferring more normal anatomy than this. But I'm fine with these designs. I like the style of these designs." I'd have no problem with agreeing to disagree on that taste basis. But instead I feel like I'm being told that I don't even have a right to dislike these designs and make criticisms against them.
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2014-05-07, 01:07 | Link #1564 |
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Edit ^this.
I'm sorry, but i have to agree with 3R and VampirPaladin. I think we've been quite clear that the main problem is how thin and broken the bodies-in particular the legs look- but I've also said many many times that it may, and hopefully will look better in motion. No one has really complained about the designs "not looking like the 90s anime" as alleged... Neither was there flat out denial that the designs were influenced by the manga at all- but that they took the influence of the manga to an unsightly extreme- one that wasn't present to this extreme in the manga, and definitely not in the retouched version. Even in the images you posted, Solace, their necks and thighs are significantly thicker and thus there's no issue... It's the extreme to which they took it that's at issue, really. Thing is, yes, Utena was very angular, but the legs were not ridiculously thin, no twisted at impossible angles. The same goes for Stars- although like I've also said before, it makes more sense for them to lean out during Stars in the first place, since everyone is a bit older and the plot significantly matured. The first few volumes though feature a rounder, younger and less adult looking Usagi...
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2014-05-07, 02:01 | Link #1565 |
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Are you guys being intentionally obtuse? I never said you were wrong for having an opinion. I simply stated I was baffled by the response. That's my opinion. I also stated that the designs had a lot of influence from mid to late 90's anime, and I responded to the person who asked what I meant by providing examples. I'm not defending the designs against your opinions, that would be pointless. I'm just trying to offer my own take on the subject. Like or dislike what you want. I'm done.
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2014-05-07, 03:19 | Link #1567 | |
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2014-05-07, 03:40 | Link #1568 | |
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@Solace, sorry, I should have specified more who I was directing what against. I see how my response could be misleading.
I only intended to say to to you that the images you posted don't actually have the features at issue, most of the rest of my reply was directed towards Sheba, Miraluka and Wisteria whose responses seem to indicate an issue with divergent opinion (some of which are now deleted). You weren't actually meant to get mixed up in that, so I apologise, as I really wasn't clear. I blame me posting before I had some coffee... XD But yeah... The only point really directed as you was meant to be this: Quote:
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2014-05-07, 09:05 | Link #1570 | |
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talking about character design, with the current staff, this being a toei series and with the production problems already going on (being pushed back one year for example) I don't even know if the actual animation will follow the designs properly, for all we know it will be off-model-the-animation. |
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2014-05-10, 06:01 | Link #1572 |
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Since no one has mentioned it, this week on "Big Bang" Raj referred to the "200-pound Sailor Moon girl" he and Howard had a threesome with... It's not everyday anime gets a mention on prime time American TV, but when it does it's usually BBT.
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2014-05-10, 14:23 | Link #1573 | |
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2014-05-10, 22:17 | Link #1575 | |
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2014-05-12, 04:54 | Link #1577 |
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Firstly, I'd like to apologize in advance for my "Engrish" as I am not a native English speaker. It's my very first post here on animesuki.com ground, so please be nice and bear with me. I'd like to say I am not necessarily pleased with the new CDs (Character Designs) as I am a huge fan of the old Sailor Moon anime designs, especially Ikuko Itou's art direction from R and above. But as a new take and being just a concept it's not so bad either. Many people complain about the fact that the new art doesn't correspond to the updated Naoko-hime's cover art, but they are actually referring to the 2nd generation cover art in which she tried to make the girls look moe (at least in my opinion it was a failure). For the 3rd generation manga cover art she took a shift back to her previous style - stunning looking guardians, looking like maidens instead of Barbie doll 3rd grade lovers (again my opinion for the kind a cheap and rushed 2nd generation cover art). Don't get me wrong the latter is not as cheap and as rushed as the new anime designs, i just speculate about the reason why they are not as moe. So the new CDs are not the prettiest, especially the one showed at the event on nico nico this April, but they are not the worst. I recall the designs for the only PreCure season I've ever bothered watching - Heart Catch PreCure. The designs looked extremely cheap, but the season was visually the best out of the PreCure universe and the characters have a pretty and cute feel combined to them (again personal opinion). The PGSM Crystal anime will consist of 26 episodes (30 minutes each) and will be broadcast bi-weekly on Nico Nico. Well 26 is a great number for an adaptation of the Dark Kingdom arc. There will be plenty of time for character development and to polish the story as there are plenty of plot holes and lack of character development in the manga (for both protagonists and antagonists). The Bi-weekly schedule is not necessarily due to a half-sized stuff and low budget either. My speculations are - as Toei being greedy little bastards, and as their main asset in shujo demographics is PreCure ( which doesn't sell well, despite being a TV hit in Japan), they want to release dvd and blu ray discs of Sailor Moon as fast as possible. This schedule will help them release blu rays faster with fewer episodes on disc (like every month, 60 minutes of animations - 13 blu ray discs), instead of being obliged to release like 6 or 7 with 4 episodes each. For the VA issues - yes, I love Michie Tomizawa, Emi Shinohara and Rica Fukami (Aya Hisakawa is not one of my beloved VAs to begin with), but if Toei plans to eventually make more seasons, covering more manga arcs, they would use fresh voices as Michie is retired and couldn't sign a contract for 5 years for example. There are plenty of reasons except for a low budget choosing new cast, which in my opinion is pretty descent and Kotono Mitsuishi-sensei practically chose them (please believe in her). And please, people who are putting links with images from the old anime artwork please use official artwork instead of Marko Albieri's funny looking redraws - they are inferior to the stunning character designs provided by the key animators back in 90s. And if you hate the new designs, they will actually look even hideous compared with the official artwork instead of Italian fan art, so your mission to show the lack of originality and gracefulness of the new ones will be fulfilled.
On the positive note my biggest nightmare - the idol group Momorio Clover Z has done a serious improvement lately, releasing a pretty decent song (not great but at least audible) so let's hope they'll perform well in the new anime. They are actually the biggest issue I have for it. And if Toei doesn't do at least a half as good as the previous time with Sailor Moon, let's give them a well reserved Moon Revenge, |
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2014-05-13, 08:15 | Link #1580 |
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I was extremely happy when I saw these yesterday, unfortunately it is a fan art by Marco Albiero (same guy who did the Italian dvd cover art). But I really hope that it's actually closer to the final product as the colors are closer to the released key image. After all, all we've got so far are character settings, which in some cases are not even in color and are somewhat rough sketches, which can explain the strange coloring of the released artwork so far. The key visual they showed before the character settings is more like it ( in most cases key visual means key frame) and this fan art has a proper coloring like that key visual. So there is hope for the actual design indeed.
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