Utawarerumono Episode 21 Discussion / Poll

[Grey]

Originally Posted by saravis

She speaks to Hakuoro like a child with an adult, almost in an uncle-like sort and not like a fellow leader. In her one conversation she had spoken of her victor like a childish braggart.

I've noticed a few mention that she was boastful and bragging, but I disagree. It seemed to be all an act to me. A lot of things suggested it: her horror after killing Kanhorudari; the 'upset/saddened' tilt of her eyebrows when she was 'bragging'; her laughter that sounded so obviously forced; her realization that 'Hakuoro understood' and her complete turnabout in position (gloating to grief); her later comment that 'he'd made her vulnerable'; her being grossed out at the later battlefield.

In Kuuya's position, she's undoubtedly been under constant pressure to be 'strong' as a young ruler (see: why she wore a mask). Her 'gloating' was putting on her 'strong' act. After Hakuoro stopped her, she realized she didn't have to act for him and she expressed her honest feelings (remorse, guilt, horror). Her 'vulnerability' line makes it clear that this is not common she can drop her 'strong ruler' act.

Hakuoro has been displaying a notable amount of sympathy towards her; if he seriously thought she enjoyed slaughtering her enemies I doubt he'd have stayed so silent. We would have heard more criticisms.

Kuuya can't say it's wonderful how she crushed Kanhorudari and his army, and also say that it was a horrible feeling killing them. If you watch her, it's clear her bragging was BS.

[C.A.]

Indeed Kuuya was hiding her weakness from Hakuoro.

But one cannot deny that Kuuya is not someone who can be a leader, she has no qualities for leadership at all.

[PGilis]

My thoughts on this episode:

KUUYA!! WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!!

My God, she is all into "Bush-mode", trying to conquest all the other countries bringing peace for her people destroying everyone else? She can't see she's not being better than those who atacked her country doing so? Why she didn't tried to make agreements or peace pacts first?

Still, i don't think she had much of a choice... it's obvious she was being manipulated from the very start, like all the other countries as well. Aparently, it's all that Dii's and the blue-haired-gayish-Dilandau-bunny 's doing.

And now she's acting even against Hakuoro? Why she chose just the Dilandau-bunny instead the spiked-haird-bunny? She don't know he will 'make a mistake' again and accidentally kill everybody?

'Bring Hakuoro to me', she said. Does she want a new toy in her jail or in her bedroom?

I think the producers are rushing the things too much in order to finish the series soon. We could see this arc in more details, using more two or three episodes.

On a side note, anyone else here is thinking that blue-hair-gayish-Dilandau bunny and the spiked-hair bunny sleep toghether?

[Lost]

Originally Posted by PGilis

On a side note, anyone else here is thinking that blue-hair-gayish-Dilandau bunny and the spiked-hair bunny sleep toghether?

Not really, I doubt spiked-hair would want to sleep with him. Rather, I was actually wondering if blue-grayish hair was male or female.

[PGilis]

The only thing i want to know is when this gayish psycho will be killed in the most gruesome, painful way ever. For all he did, he deserves to die in a very very bad way.

I want to see Mukkuru eating him alive or Karura dismembering him, veeery slowly.

If was not for him (and Dii), Kuuya would never fell so far in the dark side, in such desperation.

[Deathkillz]

^ /second

but to be honest kuuya is a bit childish to be malipulated like that...i think shes very insacure

[Cardiac Glycoside]

A better parallel for all of Kunnekamun is [the greater part of the world's perception of] Israel.

Even before the Holocaust, the Jews got a lot of shit from the rest of the world because of differences in religion and other things. Parallel--the Shakukoporu worship a different god than the rest of the nations and were thus persecuted. Then, this tribe was granted a greater power than anything else seen in the world. Similarly, the Israelis military is/was technologically light years away from their immediate neighbors. Both were able to kick their enemies' asses despite their minority status.

The difference, in my POV, is that Kunnekamun, unlike Israel, seeks a coldly "logical" solution to their problems. "Logically" speaking, in order to gain security, both must invade and kill their enemies until none are left. Perhaps I am naive, but from what I gather from Israeli blogs I read, Israelis do not what to annhiliate Arabs.

So I think Israel is a better comparison due to the centuries-long oppression both have suffered. (Off the record, I do not support the Iraqi Adventure, but for different, more antiquated reasons than those given by a typical Hollywooder or European).