2012-02-25, 23:34 | Link #141 |
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Well, totoum, you've given me a lot to think about. I think there's a deeper issue here.
The phenomenon hadn't started in April, as evidenced by the fact that Class 3 had enough desks during its opening ceremony and the fact that no one died during that month. We're in agreement there. Now, the trigger for the phenomenon starting was Kouichi transferring to the class in May, leaving the class a desk short and forcing Akazawa to start engaging in the countermeasure of ignoring Mei. We're also in agreement there. However...this is where things get dicey. The only change made to the class roster in May was the addition of Kouichi, and yet, the phenomenon only started when he was added. So there are three possibilities: 1. Kouichi is the Another. There would've been no Another in the class in April, so obviously there would've been no phenomenon that month. This is an easy and logical explanation -- but with the red herring dream sequence and Mei's assertion to the contrary, it doesn't seem likely. 2. Another student from Class 3 is the Another. This is trickier to explain, because the phenomenon didn't occur in April even though the Another would've been in the class -- and Teshigawara makes it clear at the beginning of EP6 that the class had enough desks at its opening ceremony. It's possible that when characters use the term "phenomenon" they're referring to the monthly deaths, not the presence of the Another in the class (i.e. there's an Another every year, but with successful countermeasures and dumb luck there aren't deaths every year). This is messy, messy reasoning -- but it's the only way I can seem to rationalize another student being the Another using our combined logic. 3. Someone who isn't a student in Class 3 is the Another. Well...this is an interesting proposition. There's no precedent for this, and it seems as though neither Chibiki nor anyone in the class has remotely considered it. I can't rationalize it, but then again, this is a possibility that exists outside the logic of what we've heard in the first seven episodes, so I can't rule it out either. Well anyway, this gives some steam to the Reiko bandwagon -- and no other character outside Class 3 has had enough screentime to be considered. |
2012-02-25, 23:42 | Link #142 | |
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What you quoted does not actually insinuate that there was no Another the previous year.
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2012-02-26, 00:21 | Link #143 | ||
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There's also the question Kouichi asked the librarian in episode 6 Quote:
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2012-02-26, 01:28 | Link #145 | |
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Their actions just don't make sense if it happens every year.
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2012-02-26, 03:12 | Link #147 | ||
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2012-02-26, 07:46 | Link #148 |
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I agree with you here but still think you're missing the big picture. You're saying that the phenomenon doesn't happen every year, and that, in a similar manner, it didn't happen in the month of April -- and that makes sense. But to hold that position you have to be willing to accept that the Another cannot be a student other than Kouichi from Class 3 (read my last post), unless you claim that there is an Another every year even if there aren't deaths every year. If you say that there wasn't an Another in Class 3 during the month of April, then the Another either has to be Kouichi or a person outside Class 3.
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2012-02-26, 12:21 | Link #150 | ||
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But then I read Forsaken_Infinity's post from a couple pages ago: Quote:
Kouichi's name was on the March roster, and that means (among other things) that Akazawa is an absolute idiot who can't count to 30 and is probably the worst head of countermeasures ever. What if a student had just been sick for the opening ceremony? Would she have said that the class had enough desks then? Anyway, this is a logical explanation for how the Another could've been in the class in April without the phenomenon being triggered, so I'm satisfied. |
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2012-02-26, 12:47 | Link #152 | |
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If you remember where I'd definatly apreciate it.
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2012-02-26, 13:28 | Link #153 | |
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1. The phenomenon is linked to the number of students in the class. Another is added and Sakakibara is subtracted, thus keeping the class at a safe size. 2. It doesn't start until later in the year. |
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2012-02-26, 13:42 | Link #154 |
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I'm disregarding my logic from that old post now that I know for a fact that Kouichi was on the March roster (even though I still don't remember it being explicitly mentioned in the anime). It's obvious now that if Kouichi had been in the class in April, as the roster suggests he should've been, the class would've been short on desks and the phenomenon would've started that month instead. So I agree with the first possibility you list.
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2012-02-26, 15:37 | Link #155 |
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It's based more on my logic of the trends of the various deaths and their connections than on any single fact. It is a bit difficult to explain but let me try:
Most of the deaths so far seems like only one of two possible family members die but not both. For example, Ritsuko died instead of Reiko (although Reiko was the student of class-3), the nurse died instead of her brother, the 2 students of current class-3 died but no mention of any further deaths of their relatives. The only exception is the homeroom teacher who killed himself and his mother but his death is also different from the others in that it was voluntary/controlled (in a sense, suicide/murder) and not accidental/natural death (uncontrolled events) like the others. So if the relative of the extra student (Another) also died this time around, then that would break this trend by having 2 deaths of the same connection. That's why I think the Another student already represents one death in that bloodline (so to speak) that the rest of their family members will not die now - and, of course, that extra student will not die either since they are already dead. That is why those with a relative who died like the kid with the nurse-sister, are not Another. It will be a curse of death of those who are still alive and their connections. Going back to my previous post, I will put Teshigawara back on the list of being a possible extra student, since he wasn't from Tokyo (remembered the wrong character from the wrong show when I made that post ). However, since Teshigawara and his glasses friend are childhood friends who have been together since 2nd grade, I think these two are unlikely to be extra - since they have memories of each other outside of Yomi North and class-3. One of them are still possible but, to me, an unlikely possibility.
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2012-02-26, 16:48 | Link #160 | |
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I still acknowledge that possibility -- but if that's true, I find it odd that Teshigawara would explicitly use the fact that the class had enough desks at its opening ceremony as evidence that there was no phenomenon in April. His perspective seems to indicate that in past years, such as 1997, there had also been enough desks at the opening ceremony -- which, barring some unforeseen circumstance similar to Kouichi transferring into the class, would mean that there was no extra student in those years. (Unless 1998 was the first year that Class 3 had the correct number of desks, and Teshigawara was just making a logical assumption.) |
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