F/SN UBW TV - Episode 24 Spoiler Discussion / Poll

[monster]

Originally Posted by chaos_alfa

I hope not. For people who are planning to watch the Fate series in publication order it would spoil Waver not getting killed in Fate/Zero, but suspect they will probably show him.

In publication order? Fate/Zero comes before UBW regardless, so they should've watched that before watching this if that's what they wanted.

[chaos_alfa]

Originally Posted by monster

In publication order? Fate/Zero comes before UBW regardless, so they should've watched that before watching this if that's what they wanted.

I meant original publication order, Fate/Zero was originally a light novel which was released after the Fate/Stay Night visual novel was released.

For this reason Waver didn't exist at the time Fate/Stay Night was publicized and Fate/Zero assumes the reader has already read Fate/Stay Night because it spoils some twists from the Heaven's Feel route in the prologue of its story.

[quigonkenny]

Maybe have a flash forward to Rin and Waver's (preparation for the) dismantling of the Greater Grail. Have Zelretch appear at some point, with his Jeweled Sword somewhere in the background, unmentioned but obvious. He was there for the Grail's creation, so it's logical he might want to be there for its destruction, and it could save a little time on backstory in the HF movie(s) when it comes to the point where the Jeweled Sword pops up.

[chaos_alfa]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

Maybe have a flash forward to Rin and Waver's (preparation for the) dismantling of the Greater Grail. Have Zelretch appear at some point, with his Jeweled Sword somewhere in the background, unmentioned but obvious. He was there for the Grail's creation, so it's logical he might want to be there for its destruction, and it could save a little time on backstory in the HF movie(s) when it comes to the point where the Jeweled Sword pops up.

Wouldn't that spoil the reveal that there are two grails? The Lesser and the Greater Grail? From what I remember this is only revealed in the Heaven's Feel route.

[monster]

Originally Posted by chaos_alfa

I meant original publication order, Fate/Zero was originally a light novel which was released after the Fate/Stay Night visual novel was released.

For this reason Waver didn't exist at the time Fate/Stay Night was publicized and Fate/Zero assumes the reader has already read Fate/Stay Night because it spoils some twists from the Heaven's Feel route in the prologue of its story.

Yes, but didn't this show already spoiled that Rin's father was killed by the priest?

[Jaden]

I don't remember where the reveal was in the VN, but in this season of the anime Caster did spoil the existence of the greater grail.

[chaos_alfa]

Originally Posted by monster

Yes, but didn't this show already spoiled that Rin's father was killed by the priest?

That was also revealed somewhere in the Fate/Stay Night visual novel. I only don't remember in which route it was.

Originally Posted by Jaden

I don't remember where the reveal was in the VN, but in this season of the anime Caster did spoil the existence of the greater grail.

Could be. From what I remember when I finished reading the UBW route a long time ago I didn't get the impression there where still some loos-ends concerning the grail. Like in the Fate route I got the impression it was destroyed and we where done with it. I could have missed the signification of some information which is revealed in the UBW route, but from what I remember it was the HF route which brought the concept of there being two grails to my attention.

[monster]

Originally Posted by chaos_alfa

That was also revealed somewhere in the Fate/Stay Night visual novel. I only don't remember in which route it was.

So, regardless, you will be spoiled anyway. I doubt they are requiring anyone to watch DEEN's work before watching Fate/Zero, but they still made that before making UBW and HF in the future.

[chaos_alfa]

Originally Posted by monster

So, regardless, you will be spoiled anyway. I doubt they are requiring anyone to watch DEEN's work before watching Fate/Zero, but they still made that before making UBW and HF in the future.

I just like if Ufotable would keep the option to be able to watch the Fate/Stay Night in animate format in the orignal publication order a bit intact. They do make it difficult by making references to Fate/Zero in the UBW adaption and they skipped the Fate route which has important information for the rules of the Fate universe and the Grail war.

Reading Fate/stay night or watching an adaption of it does indeed spoil some of the events and the ending of Fate/Zero. It doesn't really matter because Fate/Zero was written with the assumption that the reader already knows those facts. It is not a story about who is going to win, but rather a story about how the participants in the war are going to lose. It should be seen as a tragedy rather than a story about who might win. Here is a good review which explains this concept.

[HtwoN]

IMO, with the animes, you could watch both way. FZ > FSN or FSN > FZ. Doesn't matter much.

But personally I feel that for anime only, watching FZ before FSN could potentially give you more than the other way around. There are so many FZ Easter Eggs in UBW anime.

Furthermore, people who already watch FZ before FSN can't erase their mind, right?

[Levani]

I disagree that in the anime medium you have to see UBW first before Zero. Both spoil one another, you simply cannot avoid this. And I like watching stuff chronologically and not in the publication order.

[HtwoN]

Originally Posted by Levani

I disagree that in the anime medium you have to see UBW first before Zero. Both spoil one another, you simply cannot avoid this. And I like watching stuff chronologically and not in the publication order.

Hey, someone may call you a secon... Nvm.

[Levani]

Originally Posted by HtwoN

Hey, someone may call you a secon... Nvm.

They've already done it and I couldn't give two shits about some twisted person's idea of what a true FSN fan is.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by HtwoN

How about Taiwan drama? or Korean drama?

I think they are the same?

Dude, I've seen some Taiwan & Korean drama, and there's none that have bgm as epic as Kawai's (I assume by drama you meant the ones involving romance in today's setting, and not historical drama). In fact, comparing the two is quite weird in itself.

[Gaulek]

Originally Posted by chaos_alfa

Wouldn't that spoil the reveal that there are two grails? The Lesser and the Greater Grail? From what I remember this is only revealed in the Heaven's Feel route.

Fate/Kaleid 2wei herz will do that this summer too

Spoiler for spoil:

and even show where it is.

(And Lord El-Melloi 2 is also in kaleid.)

Originally Posted by monster

Yes, but didn't this show already spoiled that Rin's father was killed by the priest?

This was in the vn at the same time as in the anime.
And Saber destroying the grail, being the last servant with Gil, being interrupted by a mongrel, the fire too.


I really want to see Waver again in London too.

[Amarantine]

If they actually show Shirou and Rin meeting Waver, it better not be the last scene, because that needs to be the post-credits scene from the Visual Novel, which shows Archer's change of heart and what the answer he found through his battle with Shirou was. But I suppose they can show some of Shirou and Rin with Waver before that, since the scene with Archer isn't really chronologically oriented in the first place.

It certainly would be interesting to see Waver's reaction to Shirou revealing he beat Gilgamesh, who utterly dominated Waver's Rider in the previous war.

[HtwoN]

On the other hand, there may be nothing new. Just True End and Archer after credit.

[Iron Maw]

Pretty good episode in most respects, but I'm not fan of DEM which brought it down a bit. Gilgamesh vs Shirou was kind of let down too since he still did his usually shtick when even he knew wasn't working anymore.

[Jaggery]

Originally Posted by chaos_alfa

I meant original publication order, Fate/Zero was originally a light novel which was released after the Fate/Stay Night visual novel was released.

For this reason Waver didn't exist at the time Fate/Stay Night was publicized and Fate/Zero assumes the reader has already read Fate/Stay Night because it spoils some twists from the Heaven's Feel route in the prologue of its story.

If I recall, they don't really use his real name. They call him by El Melloi II and other nicknames they made up. They don't use the name Waver. And I wonder if other people would recognize him.

[GDB]

People recognized him in Prisma Illya, so... yeah.