2006-01-02, 19:20 | Link #141 |
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Moon Eclipse didn't put down class alone as a deciding factor.
And I don't remember Lacus being a "mediator" between Orb and Plant at the end of GS. But I guess what you are suggesting that Lacus will simply make the same mistake all over again? Talk about not wanting to do anything until things really hit the fan. |
2006-01-02, 19:31 | Link #144 |
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The sub said that it was a mediator/foreign relations representative between PLANT and Orb. So she's no empress, no chairperson, no council member, no ruling family member or whatnot...just a go-betweener.
And actually I would be happiest if Lacus went back to the beach house and we didn't hear from her/Kira/Archangel/Eternal/Justice/Cagalli/Athrun again, since they just godmode everything apart. Perhaps if there would be some suspense added by the gundams not being so stupidly powerful. Though if someone were to ever attack Orb, well, here's some NJC spam godmoding madness in your face. |
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2006-01-02, 19:40 | Link #146 | |
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And at the end of plus. They basically say she's going back to PLANT to become the next chairman(woman). Yet another proof of her superiority as a leader because of her genes (sorry just had to add that one in) |
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2006-01-02, 20:02 | Link #149 | |
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Conflict with her present job as an orphanage caretaker? Her accomplishments stem from abilities enabled to her by her genetic superiority. |
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2006-01-02, 20:08 | Link #150 |
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This is why degrees from more prestigious colleges are valued far more than ones from trash colleges. This is why I went to Lehigh University instead of NJIT (even though Lehigh cost more). A degree from a good college shows that, unless you're our dumbass president Bush, you had the ability to make it in high school to get good grades to get into a good college, graduate that good college, and get a degree. Also, your college GPA counts for something. Then your master's/Ph.D as well...people don't really even succeed if they don't have the drive for it. If you don't like it, you WILL fail at it. This is why we have the educational systems we do!
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While we're at it - why didn't Dullindal test his theories on genetics and how they can make your life better? On a small scale, and without needing to resort to genocide? But no! He was just so bloody certain he was right! Quote:
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2006-01-02, 20:41 | Link #153 | |
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Unlike the real-world where we deal with race, status, and wealth as dividers between who should look down upon who...Dullindal is dealing with a society where physiological differences (unsurmountable differences) are at the core...In addition to this is a point that has been totally ignored here in this thread...Coordinators need Naturals to survive...without them they cannot keep their populas growth...Dullindal had to incorporate a plan that not only achieves peace, but one that ensures that Coordinators will be able to have a smooth starting point for procreating with Naturals...The current cyclical effect threatens the humanity of Coordinators...After Kira and Lacus walk off into the sunset who is left to ensure this crucial, yet overlooked point??
I can't say I totally agree with THE DESTINY PLAN...One of my gripes was that Fukuda's introduction and explanation of the plan is a joke and Lacus' interpretation of the plan to others was pi$$-poor (Her mind-boggling manipulation skills aside)...But to be Dully's advocate here I'd say ensuring that Coordinators can survive (just survive) is key to his plan...Unlike Zala's plan to eradicate the Naturals, he understands he needs to not only include them, but also offer them an alternative that suppresses the line of divide bewteen the two...Like his chess-playing brilliance he's looking ahead to a day where Naturals will (knowingly//unknowingly) stabalize the coordinator population...It's pure genious really... Killing Lacus Clyne vs. trying to have that baby with Talia is a tell-tale microcosm of my point here... Well to drastically change emotions here... Quote:
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2006-01-02, 20:48 | Link #154 | |
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Her job as the mediator was completed with the signing of the peace treaty on the terms that she rejoin PLANT. Without the genes she would never have been able to accomplish what she did. Only an idiot would ignore the source of her power. Idiots don't become geniuses just cause their parents try to raise them into it. They have to have the potential there first before it can be harnessed and made into reality. Without ability you cannot accomplish anything |
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2006-01-02, 21:22 | Link #155 |
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I don't think you are simply brilliant because of genes. Lacus's goodness I think is far more nurture than it is nature. She was brought up having everything, and her father was very kind to her, even though her mother undoubtedly died (odds are, her mother was very VERY beautiful). Lacus's kindness and people skills come from the people around her. Sure, part of it is genetics, but sometimes, (read: very RARELY) genetics can be overcome. Either way, genetics are not a one-all, end all thing. Sure, they might determine eye colors, hair color, etc...but I mean that presentation with Djibril getting the red card and him and his cat (HOW DID DURANDALL KNOW JIBBY HAD THAT CAT) becoming clowns, that could very well be a very highly-paid company official or whatnot.
@ Anh Minh: well, remember, we're dealing with incompetent writers that make Kira and Lacus gods to such an extent that people want them out of the story just to make it more interesting. So part of Durandall's flaws can be attributed back to Fucks-everything-up-uda |
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I don't understand the cat thing and the card thing ( are you going off on tangents in the middle of written arguments?) If you're talking about how do people know what geneticly decided job suits what person? The Destiny system (semi operational for about 2 episodes before everything messed) |
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2006-01-02, 23:57 | Link #157 |
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Destiny Plan, welcome to the Brave New World
Like some other have mentioned, Genetics can only measure your potential.. You gene at best can describe your potential talent in vague terms... like whether you're strong in analytical/visual/physical well being/communication... it can probably give a vague sketch of your personality... patient/hot head/indecisive etc... but i doubt that anywhere in the gene it'll inscribed a profession that you're destined to... And this is where the plan gets ugly... how do we measure? how do we interpretate the result of gene test? who sets the standard.. Say if you look at kira's result.. he has great talent in the analytical/math department (which can be translate as great computer scientist), but also have superb reflex and eye-hand coordination (which can make him a pilot or a professional dart player heehee j/k)... you see, how your gene test is interpreted determines your life, and since the plan is suggested by the government, we can safely assumed that the standards and test interpretations are also going to be done by government owned institution.. now would you still want a Destiny Plan? And worse yet, if you mix this with economics (demand/supply of labour) then you get one HUGE mess that's extemely similar to Orwell's Brave New World |
2006-01-03, 00:01 | Link #158 |
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Beauty is only an inherited trait so long as you nurture that beauty. Lacus's singing ability? Hmmm, I'll definitely bite on that one. It takes relatively little skill. And as for her interpersonal skills, well, she was going around with her father a lot, wasn't she?
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I've heard of the story... It's the one where you have the "coordinator" type and "naturalists" types. Where the "coordinator" types invent machines to take over the labour of earth the "naturalists" believe everyone should revert to an agrarian culture again, and they end up sending the "naturalists" to other planets to be argrarian there? Because we never got to see the full extent of control which the Destiny Plan entails. My guess control would almost be absolute including population control and population make up (ie. you have X number of people being born within a year and the beak up is n% is workers, y% is doctors and 0% is lawyers) Quote:
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