2023-06-11, 18:09 | Link #1681 |
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Has anyone else noticed that Belmeria has been getting bullied a lot this season?
She had her spirit broken by Prospera bringing up the Enhanced Humans, Elan called her out, she gets arrested by the investigators, nearly assassinated, and she got called out by Nika this episode. I mean, they aren't wrong that she's got her hands in a lot of the stuff here, but... It feels like kicking a puppy.
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2023-06-11, 18:12 | Link #1682 |
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You're not the only one. That crossed my mind in that scene. He's a really mysterious figure. We don't know who he is. We don't know what's his stake in all this. We know nothing about him.
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2023-06-11, 19:06 | Link #1684 |
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There is no war going on right now. A war could start due to what SAL is doing (manipulating the media, trying to take over Benerit and so on) but there's no war going on right now. So stop trying to blame Prospera for something that hasn't even happened yet.
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Prospera started all of it. She is to blame. I'm not saying SAL is innocent, because they're not, but Prospera is at fault here.
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2023-06-11, 20:29 | Link #1686 | ||
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As Shaddiq explained last episode, SAL would not make a move just because some Earthians died so what happened on Quinnharbour wasn't the trigger for this. Shaddiq needed Spacian casualties, which were provided by Norea which was manipulated by Shaddiq himself. This is what got SAL to make their move. Prospera has nothing to do with this. No, that was just a side quest because SAL thought they could use Quiet Zero to put more blame on Benerit. But it's not a major motivation at all. In fact, SAL has been planning this take over of Benerit for years. What happened in the Academy (Norea's attack) serves as main excuse, but it's not even the real reason. The real reason is just greed.
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2023-06-11, 20:56 | Link #1687 |
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Some people might want to rewatch the scene where Prospera give a "hint" to Miorine to help her presidency, because the TV news shows that Qinharbour was already under armed conflict before they even decided to go to Earth.
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2023-06-11, 21:46 | Link #1688 |
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I probably lost it somewhere. Why did Prospera need Miorine for the Quiet Zero again? It seems like she already has it. I thought the deal was Prospera to help Miorine win the presidency so in return Mironine will not can the project?
How many days have Miorine won the seat??
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2023-06-11, 21:51 | Link #1689 |
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The plot has been skydiving without a parachute ever since the first episodes and the closer it gets to the ground the worse it gets.
Just saying, but if at least half of the Earth kids don't die to some random explosion while in the middle of battle, I will call bullshit plot armor because that would go against what Gundam does. Suletta at the very least should end up in a vegetable state, half of the cast should just die because they are stupid kids that shouldn't be there, the adults will clearly all die and the villains should all die except for that one piece of shit that will outlive everyone else for some reason.
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2023-06-11, 22:54 | Link #1691 | |
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Because whoever is the president has access to QZ, Mio had temporary control because of her father. Had she lost the election whoever would have won would be the only person with control of who can and can't access QZ |
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Guston knew that Suletta can pilot Aerial before, and she's a clone of Eri and that's a good-enough base to ask her if she can/will pilot Calibarn to maybe talk to Prospera & stop her by any chance. Mind you that Guston only asked Suletta to pilot it. He didn't force her to. Quote:
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Either he becomes more like Ribbons 2.0 in 00S1 (having his own agenda while posing as a servant of sort) or stay as a faithful assistant to Prospera. I think those are generally where his character might go unless Okouchi wants to throw us some real curveball.
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2023-06-11, 23:53 | Link #1693 | |
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And it worked. Everyone was laser focused on the election, and by the time it was done, QZ is already online. Even Miorine herself thought Prospera needed Miorine to win. Well played. //
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2023-06-12, 03:19 | Link #1694 |
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What evil deeds had Prospera done exactly?
The only evil thing she has done is the false flag action that makes the conflict between space and Earth worst and lost any chance of reconciliation - Miorine was gaining trust from Earth until that happened. Though Earth and Space were already in a huge conflict before all these happening so we cannot pin too much blame on her. Other than that what did she do? sure she is not a 10/10 mother to Suletta but I would easily give her 7/10 and easily beat the majority of parents in Gundam. If Suletta has some way to resist data storm and Prospera is cold-blooded, Prospera should have killed Suletta off when she has the chance. Though Prospera probably thinks nothing can stop her now that she got quiet zero and in a way that is true - even if Suletta will pilot the strongest Gundam in the show that will not be controlled by quiet zero, it is still just 1 mecha. Quiet Zero can just control all other drones and mechas to take her down. Also what will the Earth kid and Elan 5 do? If they pilot anything and get close it will get controlled by quiet zero. In all fairness, Prospera may exact revenge by destroying both SAL and Benerit group. Though for me they deserve it. So Guston is claiming Prospera will murder many innocent people but instead he and SAL are only using Suletta to save their own skin. btw I don't know why people always assume Suletta will pilot the Schwarzette - Schwarzette doesn't have the colour scheme of a MC gundam.
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2023-06-12, 03:38 | Link #1695 |
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I have a theory, this is for why the Earth House has survived this long. What if this "Monster" Gundam needs souls to keep it in control like Ariel needs all of Suletta/Eri's to control it. I think in the final battle the Earth house kids are going to get killed but just like Zeta they will become part of "Monster" to help her win
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Really, so far, her ratio of justification/actual bloodshed is better than most villains, not excluding Delling. |
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2023-06-12, 04:50 | Link #1697 | |
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The first thing that she did with QZ is killing an entire armada that didn't even target her in the first place. That SAL fleet went to bag Benerit but Prospy swooped in with her QZ and used them as target practice. Knowing that, I can see why Suletta wants to meet Prospy & Eri eye-to-eye and talk to them (for the last time). Maybe Suletta can find out what will Prospy plan to do next, and if it's something really really bad, Suletta might try to stop her with whatever Gundam & resources at her disposal. The point is, Suletta wants to meet & talk to them first (with precaution).
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2023-06-12, 06:30 | Link #1698 | |
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The only thing Quiet Zero did before the SAL started to shoot at it, is put units into a defensive position which is the normal thing to do when someone is coming at you with a big army announced. Aerial retaliated in self-defense after SAL shoot first. SAL fleet targeted Quiet Zero. Check SAL fleet shoot first. Check SAL fleet got wiped out in self-defense by Aerial. Check This what happened in the episode and not the fantasy scenario you created in your head. Also, Prospera never asked Aerial to wipe out of the fleet. I saw some people speculate online that Elnora is probably scared shitless of Aerial and let her do whatever because of it. |
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I was just speaking in broadstrokes & figure of speech, not creating headcanon. Let's run it one more time:
Now that sounds a lot more like a headcanon than my general comments.
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Looks like the ED is revealing more of its secrets (the OP too, since the permet glow tech early in it is Quiet Zero).
The dark stage Suletta is in at the start has the data storm texture for a few seconds as seen in the last episode. The Gundam shapes that interact with Suletta goes from Aerial -> Aerial Rebuilt -> Aerial -> Calibarn (once black) which "stab" Suletta (but the scene evoke the sword pulling from Utena). Next episode, if that is when Suletta board the Calibarn will be at about 40 seconds into the ED. Also, while Calibarn wasn't teased like Schwarzette was. It has been hinted at subtlety since the prologue: - A gundam must have damaged all those people in the prologue before Lfrith and the pre-production model. The reason why people hate Gundam. - In episode 2, Rouji/haro ID Aerial permet code and it match another MS at 85% Quote:
The order of the scenes in the episode: Scene 1. Quiet zero power up (zero mention of SAL fleet) Scene 2. The SAL fleet searching L2 for Benerit forces and/or Quiet Zero. Dialogues: - fleet soldier1: "We're entering the fleet's combined search area." - fleet soldier1: "Permet ID codes identified at L2" - fleet commander: "Are they Benerit ships code?" - fleet soldier1: "No, something bigger than that" - ~organ pipe music~ "That's Quiet Zero!?" - fleet soldier2: "What do we do?" - fleet commander: "We will capture it, as planned. It will make good evidence for our case against Benerit" - fleet move toward Quiet Zero - Scene 3. Back in quiet Zero control room: Quiet Zero red shirt: "Fleet wide Permet ID codes identified, they belong to the SAL fleet". Prospera: "Eri, please" - Aerial setup drones in a defensive position- Scene 4. SAL fleet launch MS and start to attack Quiet Zero. Aerial defense herself with superior technology and wipes them out. |
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