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Look. If Yasu really meant that, then don't you think we'd have picked up on that fact? The existence of Yasu does not violate the 17-person limit. |
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2010-09-09, 01:30 | Link #17502 | |
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Also, Battler culprit theory and the false red theory have been discussed and generally dismissed in the past. Though you'd have to swim through past pages .
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2010-09-09, 01:47 | Link #17503 |
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Battler as the culprit might not violate the red even if we assume Battler-kun refers to the Battler we know. Virgilia declared,
"Battler-kun is not the culprit. Battler-kun didn't kill anyone. This can be said of all games." But, she didn't say those statements could be made in red for all games. Although, this would mean Battler was innocent in the fifth game. Last edited by Frisko; 2010-09-09 at 01:53. Reason: formating |
2010-09-09, 02:15 | Link #17504 | |
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2010-09-09, 07:38 | Link #17506 | ||
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The problem is... if you think that Beatrice got the adults as accomplices before the start of the game, I don't think there is a clear hint of that. However there is indeed a hint about Beatrice getting the adults on her side during the first arcs and that's a very big one. that's the chapel scene in EP2 If you think that in that scene Beatrice made every adult accept her plan and accept to acknowledge her as a "witch", a lot of things make sense. Ryuukishi was clever enough to show this scene when most people would think it is just a magic scene and not pay much attention to it. But now we have enough knowledge about the facts concerning umineko to consider that a very plausible real scene. The only real problem is the fact that Ange is not present. However Ange isn't there in Lion's world either. So Ange's absence is not related to Beatrice's plans. Quote:
There are several ways to explain how Yasu doesn't break the 17-person limit Yasu is Shannon (practically an established fact as of now) Yasu is Kanon Shkanon and GhostErika are true, Yasu is the 17th person other ideas are too far-fetched in my opinion.
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2010-09-09, 15:47 | Link #17507 |
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I was randomly pondering what titles in this game mean for the witches. Obviously, Golden Witch can apply to "the one who has the gold," but I wonder what Endless is and what Witch of Origins is.
I'm sure its been argued before, but I wonder if the Endless Witch who practices infinite magic refers to the magic of numbers. My friend and I had a strange discussion a long time ago about whether or not magic exists. I told him of course not, but he argued that there is magic in numbers. Numbers when used in math can come out with the truth most of the time. Age old 2+2=4. That is true, because when you add those numbers, it will always come out to the given number. When it comes to infinite, I wonder if somehow it refers to the infinity between numbers, such as between 0 and 1 there are INFINITE numbers. 0, 0.1, 0.001, 0.0001,...,0.9,0.99,0.999,...1. He told me that is where magic is. Its sort of a romantic notion, but math seems to come up sometimes in this game lol |
2010-09-09, 16:04 | Link #17508 |
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The identity of the Witch of Origins has been at least vaguely explained; "one who makes 1 from 0." In Meta-World terms, this seems to be the person capable of codifying and personifying the characters of that world. If ep7 is to be believed, Maria is directly responsible for the entire foundational narrative from which the Meta-World characters derive their identities.
But the actual narrative instances seem to come from the "Endless" individual. Arguably this means the storyteller, who can take a base narrative (the setup of Rokkenjima, Maria's meta-world characters) and spin infinite stories from it.
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2010-09-09, 18:15 | Link #17511 |
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The laugh of the fool doesn't bother me.
I'll believe numbers exist when you'll show me one. /sarcasm Until then I think I'll stick with the natural assumption that numbers are mere concepts. They do have a practical use, but so do words. Look even witches and magic exist as concepts, but that's not a good reason to claim they exist.
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2010-09-09, 18:20 | Link #17512 | |
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And you know that.
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2010-09-09, 18:34 | Link #17515 |
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Good point, in umineko they have several meanings.
Well of course I meant the definition according to which they do not exist, proving which is the main purpose of Battler in the core arcs. Magic refers to the practice of manipulating the physical world through methods that defy the laws of physic and nature. Witch is a specific subset of the broader class of "magician" that is one that performs magics. I don't think it is necessary that I explain what distinguish a witch from the other magicians.
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2010-09-09, 18:34 | Link #17516 | |
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Also, could it be that at the end of EP5, Battler didn't forgive the culprit, but just Meta-Beatrice? Maybe he realized the games until then were just fiction. |
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2010-09-09, 18:44 | Link #17517 | |
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2010-09-09, 19:01 | Link #17519 | |
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The generic definition of "existence" would be something like "objects, true knowledge of which is possible, exist." You can, of course, go narrower than that, and restrict the definition of "existence" to "objects which have a material substance exist". Unfortunately that would not only exclude numbers as such, which would only screw mathematics, but would also screw things that are unambiguously real (like money) but have no material substance to them, essentially ending up in a world where nothing of actual interest "exists" and making the word useless. You would be in essence falsely replacing the idea of "existence" with the idea of "matter". Mind you, what "matter" is, isn't an easy question either, and with the way modern physics works, it might end up not existing too.
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2010-09-09, 19:02 | Link #17520 | |
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Numbers exist as units of measurement of real world phenomena. And as such, can take on several different forms to measure the same thing. They are themselves a means to grasp the form of reality, and enable us to keep track of quantities by differentiating unequal quantities from one another. Or something. |
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