[Manga] Chapter 434 Discussion

[ThoHell]

Pein is going to be dishing out some Pain now. Ok, that was lame..... anyways good chapter can't wait for future upcoming chapters. I have a feeling Lee's squad will come help Naruto from his current pinch soon since they're on their way back from the village..... they best not last long against our Pein or I'm going to be ....GRRRRR

[RaYsh]

Originally Posted by Freya

Team Guy isn't even going to show up.

Yeah Kakashi got owned you think Gai and co and do any better against Pain?

Gai maybe will open the last gate...

[snowstar27]

Ok this is only an assumption. What if pain is controlled by naruto's dad. And his power is to bring back people from the dead and control them. And he is the true leader of the akatsuki... just kidding.
Back to reality...guy can't even touch pain, so that's pointless even if he came. Maybe naruto get captured and when pain is about to escape, sasuke come and save naruto somehow....but that's rather unlikely. So im guessing that naruto have to pull himself out of this mess using some of his own tricks. I hope the fox stop hating on naruto and start to give him some respect that he deserve, and help to kick some pain butt. That would be nice if naruto somehow can learn how to control nine tail right at this instant, so he can bring out some bigger guns.

[Alchemist007]

Pein does use Scorpion's "Get over here!" attack pretty well.

[Sazelyt]

Originally Posted by The Small One

People seem to forget, that Naruto still has a KB left.
It doesn't need to destroy itself after beeing summoned; it still is a normal Naruto, that can fight like all the others. All that's needed is someone to summon him.

A clone is still connected to the original, that is why Naruto cannot create more bunshins, when one of them is concentrating on the sage chakra. By summoning it, Naruto may shorten the lifetime of his bunshin. It is an unnecessary risk at the moment, when there is a chance for the toads to succeed.

[Sazelyt]

If you remember before when the original was in danger, his bunshins were disappearing. And, the reason that he wasn't able to create more bunshins when two were concentrating on sage chakra was (I am assuming) because his mind wouldn't have succeeded to keep the bunshins alive (or connected to the original, which may refer to the same thing).

If what you said would have been possible, there is no need to actually summon the sage chakra gathering one, since that bunshin can actually create one other bunshin to do the same thing, hence there will always be 2 bunshins there gathering the sage energy. But, I guess there is some problem with a bunshin creating another by itself (without receiving help from the original), especially when the original is having some problems (or there is a lack of perfect connection between the original and the one in the toad mountain, which in our case is an advantage for Naruto, since the condition of the original may not have a significant impact on the bunshin that is far away from the original).

[Ero-Senn1n]

Originally Posted by ThoHell

Pein is going to be dishing out some Pain now. Ok, that was lame..... anyways good chapter can't wait for future upcoming chapters. I have a feeling Lee's squad will come help Naruto from his current pinch soon since they're on their way back from the village..... they best not last long against our Pein or I'm going to be ....GRRRRR

They might be the ones that have to be saved by Naruto
When Naruto finally is about to kill the last Pain they jump in to create some trouble for Naruto. Since taijutsu is useless against Yahiko-pain Gai, Lee and Neji are useless, also Tenten's summoned projectiles will be usless. Also Neji's absolute defense would be absolutely useless against Fat Pain, he would simply absorb the spinning chakra and i think Neji's chakra based taijutsu would also be useless against that dead body. Gai is dumb enough to jump in without thinking

[noktown]

I'm pretty sure we'll see some nine-tails action soon,since it's not stupid and should understand that they're trying to capture it,so if Naruto can't fight anymore someone has to fight in his place,and since noone stands a chance against Pein except for Naruto,i guess Nine-tails will take Naruto's place ;d

[irvinethearcher]

I don't think this battle is over. Why does noone remember the illusion the old frog wants to do?

[Sazelyt]

Originally Posted by The Small One

I thought the reason he couldn't create more was, that everytime a bunshin is destroyed, all their experience gets transferred to the remaining bodies, and since the chakra gathering ones have to contentrate on gathering nature energy, they would loose their concentration, if too many bunshins' information gets transferred to them.

I don't know, since no explanation was given. But, there is not a significant difference between 3 bunshins and 4 bunshins, if the experience is an issue. And, considering the result, for that to happen, all 4 have to be destroyed at the same time, to create that effect. Because, if one is destroyed, then it doesn't matter whether there were 3 or 4 at the time, since (I am assuming) the information on the amount of experience to be transferred to the remaining ones should be the same. At least that is what I believe.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by tatami

fat pain cant do anything alone , and god pain wont risk himself and fat pain cuz now they are only the 2 bodies of pain and in some situations god pain is not enough himself.

so fat pain fighting them alone is only your imagination , if they encounter such position they wont be splitting , fat one is a defensive type where god is both def and offansive type. he wont leave fat alone. and it will take 1 second to blow them away it wont be a bother for pain.

I think you're missing the point here.
Yes Fat Pain is significantly weaker without Yahiko Pain.
But Yahiko Pain won't bother to fight anyone once he has Naruto.
The only reason Yahiko Pain was fighting anyone was
because he had to get the nine tails host-Naruto.
Even if Yahiko Pain knows he's stronger than
Team Guy, it will be pointless to fight them
and it could risk Naruto being killed in the cross fire.

If the situation occurs where Team Guy
(or anyone else) becomes an obstacle
to getting back to the Akatsuki lair,
Yahiko Pain will have Fat Pain delay the enemy
while he gets away with Naruto.

It's the same as when Deidara and Sasori
were fighting. Sasori stayed and fought Chiyo
and Sakura while Deidara ran off with Gaara.
Deidara and Sasori probably could easily
defeat Chiyo and Sakura but they didn't
want to risk loosing the one-tails host-Gaara.

What's worse for Yahiko Pain?
Loosing Fat Pain body
or failing to bring back the nine tails host?

Yahiko Pain doesn't want to fight unless he has to.
Why did he bother asking people where Naruto was
if he just wanted to destroy everyone?
If his mission was to destroy Konoha and not get Naruto
he would've Shinra Tensei a long time ago.

[7th_dimension]

my hope became true!
It's been granted that his troublesome Kyuubi inside Naruto's stomach has removed!
Naruto should've another power asap
or he'll be left behind...
Okay then... fukasaku and shima has prepared to enter naruto's shoulders...
hopefully (again) this time... Naruto's sage mode must've reach final.
what the heck his another pain absorbed sage chakra...
ahk... another hope is god-realm-pain should leave soon... there's too much things about the weaknesses which must be known... how could sage mode is totally useless against him... then if jiraiya comes in mind... will he bear double pain together... ow yea
Kyuubi probably get out in his true form i think... destroying everything in his path >.<(kyuubi's fan--really wants him to destroyyy)

[tatami]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

I think you're missing the point here.
Yes Fat Pain is significantly weaker without Yahiko Pain.
But Yahiko Pain won't bother to fight anyone once he has Naruto.
The only reason Yahiko Pain was fighting anyone was
because he had to get the nine tails host-Naruto.
Even if Yahiko Pain knows he's stronger than
Team Guy, it will be pointless to fight them
and it could risk Naruto being killed in the cross fire.

If the situation occurs where Team Guy
(or anyone else) becomes an obstacle
to getting back to the Akatsuki lair,
Yahiko Pain will have Fat Pain delay the enemy
while he gets away with Naruto.

It's the same as when Deidara and Sasori
were fighting. Sasori stayed and fought Chiyo
and Sakura while Deidara ran off with Gaara.
Deidara and Sasori probably could easily
defeat Chiyo and Sakura but they didn't
want to risk loosing the one-tails host-Gaara.

What's worse for Yahiko Pain?
Loosing Fat Pain body
or failing to bring back the nine tails host?

Yahiko Pain doesn't want to fight unless he has to.
Why did he bother asking people where Naruto was
if he just wanted to destroy everyone?
If his mission was to destroy Konoha and not get Naruto
he would've Shinra Tensei a long time ago.

you are so obsessed with the idea fat pain had to fight alone there is no point talking with you...

there is no crossfire there is no risk.

god pain can push them in to far away in a blink of an eye.

leaving fat pain behind will make god pein open for attacks.

they fight together that is the POWER of pain. while god fights , fat one gives extra defence for him...and team gai easily defeats absorbing pain cuz he only can absorb and team gai is close/mid range fighting group expert on taijutsu.

there is no point leaving fat behind ehile there is a chance to blow them away in 1 sec.

otherwise god pain will leave himself open for attacks and while he wont be able to hold naruto without absorbing pain.

[Gaaraofthedesert93]

omg whats going to happen

[Gaaraofthedesert93]

i think you have the wrong series but that might be what happens in bleach lolz

[Alchemist007]

oh shi- I went based on your avatar lol.
Um yeah so...Frog will confuse Pein up and Naruto's body will be carried off by someone. Then Pein will escape!

[Gaaraofthedesert93]

no i think it might be a shadow clone or naruto will use the nine tails

[Alchemist007]

Well frog did mention he has only 1 left gathering energy in frogland, and the other one just got destroyed by Shinra Tensei. 9-tails I don't know...

[Gaaraofthedesert93]

he could be all like rawrrrr and unleash the 9 tails power and the pein that has him wont be able to contain it

[tkdtiger]

Originally Posted by RaYsh

Gai maybe will open the last gate...

well I mentioned team gai, mainly as an example that there were still alot of possibilities. We don't really know how powerful Gai would be if he opened all the gates nor would we know how long he would last. We really don't even know what the others on his team are capable of. I would like to see something interesting from Hinata though if Kish were to decide to do something...