2011-07-19, 15:24 | Link #161 | |
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Nothing's inconsistent here, as the origin of Chad's and Orihime's powers wasn't a solid fact before.
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2011-07-19, 15:29 | Link #162 |
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Generally when a character gives an explanation of something, we can take it as exposition unless it's made abolsutely clear that they're merely guessing and when they're wrong, the characters actually acknowledge the difference so there's no ambiguity for the reader. Kubo has done nothing like that, so either he's really just making it up or he's lacking in basic writing skills.
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2011-07-19, 16:01 | Link #163 | |
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As things currently stand, we actually have no idea what the situation is regarding Chad--especially if we're to go by your own stance on the issue. Because no one has yet to make any reference to the explanations provided by Yoruichi and Aizen which means none of their explanations have officially been proven wrong yet. So for all we know Yoruichi, Aizen, and Ginjou could all be wrong about Chad. Or they could all be correct. Or only one of them could be correct. Or it may be possible that all of them could be partially correct. There's just simply no way to know. And that's Kubo's fault, which is why part of Bleach's fanbase criticizes him over certain things. Last edited by sayde; 2011-07-19 at 16:43. |
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Is it the norm when dealing with fictional elements... maybe not. But I think Kubo's doing a lot better than a lot of other authors just by presenting his characters with flawed understandings of the world around them. Whether it was intended by Kubo or not IMO makes little difference in this case(though granted, keeping things consistent in the future will be harder if it was a mistake) I can't understand how more realistically plausible elements such as characters being wrong about certain facts can't be accepted, but it sure as hell makes leagues more sense to me. I call it a "liberal" view of fiction.
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2011-07-19, 22:11 | Link #165 | |
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I would be more inclined to agree with this had the characters ever expressed any awareness that their previous theories were wrong. They haven't, not once. Thus my only conclusion can be poor writing on Kubo's part. Such problems occur when you write a story from week to week with no real plan laid out. It's happened to me before while writing and I'm certain it's happened to him too.
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2011-07-20, 01:05 | Link #166 |
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It's just that I view such interpretations as Fanwanking. Whilst they might be considered realistic explanations, they are ultimately baseless. You can believe it but there's nothing to verify or falsify it. I'd consider explanations such as "Kubo's writing is poor" to make more sense since they're actually based on things.
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2011-07-21, 01:02 | Link #168 |
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Frankly I think having to rely on baseless explanations to make sense of a story is proof itself of bad writing, so okay. Amd I don't think baseless explanations have anymore value than no explanation.
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2011-07-22, 01:19 | Link #169 |
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Look, I think we're on totally different subjects here. You're assuming that my explanation means nothing to the writing of the manga... and it doesn't mean anything toward the writing... I'm trying to explain that this explanation is only in-universe.
Like I said, it's the only in-universe explanation. You know, in that fantasy world that Kubo happens to be writing. The characters aren't gonna say "Well Kubo fucked up lol", because they're not manga characters in-universe They're real people. And if it's the only explanation they've got, well consider what Spock said it that new 'Trek movie. "If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." An explanation in defense of Kubo? Not in the least. The only explanation that would make sense in-universe? Unless you got a better one, I'd say it is.
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2011-07-26, 13:28 | Link #170 | |
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2011-07-26, 13:39 | Link #171 |
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That's not what he's saying.
He's saying that in order to satisfy the in-universe perception we need to just assume that the characters were wrong, when a ret-con happens. He's not saying we should take everything they say with a grain of salt, because that would be considering the out-universe, storyline perception aswell. In any case: I don't mean to be an asshole but...my explanation is that they must have done it for mallicious reasons. They must be a villian of some sort and just haven't revealed themselves yet. Unless I see proof otherwise I'll continue to believe it.
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Is there anything on the novels? I want to know what happens in the novels being written about Bleach, like the ones that are talking about Urahara and Yoruichi's past. And if we can find out somehow for sure if Ichigo got his Hollow and Quincy powers back after Yhwach was beaten, all the better.
All I know from the novels (through a spoiler I got) is that Yhwach succeeded his father as the Soul King and that he is now the same as his late father was. Can't move or talk, limbs and heart got separated from him and put in other places, etc.. Meaning that this is what happens to anyone who becomes the Soul King and that it's a good thing Ichigo didn't become the Soul King. Anyway, what is that oneshot about? Do we know anything yet?
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