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I cbf calculating the actual number. Someone else do it for me please. But I do think it's in the negative. Wtf Archon, you messed up. You're worse than Blizzard balancing Starcraft 2. |
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2012-06-26, 06:16 | Link #162 |
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Well, time to do things the Blizzard way and nerf the emo factor! Weirdly enough, emo itself is subjective so that could lead to some serious rigging.
And also, I just realized the numbers are all going to trend negative. You mean consider the negative side to be "lulz" while the positive side is "actually good stuff" Subjective of course. And as for the TT spoiler, I agree too.
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2012-06-26, 06:29 | Link #163 | |
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2012-06-26, 07:08 | Link #165 | |
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On a side note, it's great to know Ano Hana was mainly Okada's work rather than Nagai.
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2012-07-07, 11:58 | Link #168 | |
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2012-07-07, 14:31 | Link #169 | |
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"Deprive of strength and vigor, weaken". In other words, to be made to look weak and ineffectual. If you compare the male characters in HSI to the female characters in HSI, the male characters in it consistently come off as rather weak and ineffectual by comparison. The only real exception is Tohru. Spoiler for HSI males:
If you were to genderbend HSI, people would be decrying it as sexist against women. So accusing it of emasculating (i.e. making weak and ineffectual) its male characters is a perfectly fair criticism. Some of Okada's male characters are normal and/or cool people, but a helluva lot aren't. I don't see a lot of "coolness" in those character summaries I gave above. Do you? And yeah, your attack on Pocari Sweat was unwarranted. Pocari Sweat is a fan of Wandering Son for crying out loud.
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2012-07-07, 14:43 | Link #170 |
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Here's also a podcast done by a group of bloggers which also highlight problems in Okada's writing:
http://behind-the.nihonreview.com/20...ion-episode-5/ From 20:08 and onwards. |
2012-07-07, 16:40 | Link #171 |
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@Haak. I suppose emasculation isn't the right word, it's more of a subset of being insulting. I mean sure, Hana Iro would humiliate characters of both genders, but it seemed like the mean-spirited jabs were more directed disproportionally.
Might as well spoiler these Spoiler for Hana Saku Iroha:
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2012-07-07, 16:54 | Link #172 | |
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BTW, I've never been offended by Mari Okada's portrayal of male characters. However, I find it difficult to interpret her intent (which is to present them as being comical, ineffective, and ultimately non-threatening) in any other way. |
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What is known though is that is often times inappropriate or unwarranted. Oscar and Goemon in Lupin III anyone? Hanasaku Iroha episode 3? Yukiatsu's infamous moment in Anohana? Not to mention the trainwrecks that were Black Rock Shooter and Aquarion EVOL to which she was the primary script writer. I do realise that Shoji Kawamori should take half the blame for Aquarion though. I still respect her for what she did in regards to True Tears and the adaptations of Wandering Son and Toradora, but her recent works have been absolutely shoddy with unnecessary erotica/fanservice material. And why does this matter? Well she's the most well-known script writer in the industry atm, compounded by the fact she won the Individual Animation Kobe Award for 2011. |
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2012-07-08, 08:56 | Link #176 | |
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A few points on HSI, which are probably general enough as to not require spoiler space.
I agree with Haak that Ko isn't that bad. But he never really seemed "cool" to me. That's actually the biggest problem I have with Okada's male characters, particularly in HSI. They almost never get to be cool, or have "moments of awesome", shall we say. Now if the entire cast was like that, if they were all a collection of "lovable losers", then that would be one thing. But that's not not the case in HSI, as a lot of the female characters in it come across as "cool" to me. In other words, they come across as some combination of accomplished, talented, strong, effective, smooth, etc... Even Minko, for all her flaws, is a serious-minded popular beauty (that's how she's perceived in-universe, at least) who looks to have a good future as a cook ahead of her. Quote:
I have nothing against cross-dressing males in fiction. It's just that Okada goes to the well too often on that, imo. I mean, I wouldn't want Hulk Hogan-esque macho-men in every Okada-wrote anime show either, as much as I often like those sorts of characters (and Hulk Hogan himself). It's fine for a writer to have certain character types and designs that they like, and go back to sometimes. But with Okada, it's reached the level of unintentional self-parody, I think.
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2012-07-08, 09:08 | Link #177 |
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There was this episode in AKB0048 (I forgot which one), which was about "haters". One of the AKB members was getting harassed via hate-mail by one of her fans because the fan did not approve of certain behaviour that the member was doing - this is very similar to real life Japan where overboard "hardcore idol fans" blackmail certain idol members.
The funny thing is however, it got to a point where the idols were told to "toughen the fuck up" and that one should "embrace the haters". I mean, by the end of the episode, that AKB0048 member that was being harassed was bursting out tears in happiness whilst crying out "MY VERY FIRST HATER!". I found this utterly and unintentionally hilarious instead of being "touched" by its drama. I mean Okada is already [in]famous as a person who trolls shippers, and often times write rather "trainwreck" endings or at often times endings that are the considered "undesirable" from a fan/audience's perspective. Is it self-parody commentary or is it just one of her more "lul" type plots? You be the judge, but I can't help that the latter was at least -slightly- the case |
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The only problem I had with his character was that he didn't have nearly enough screen time he deserved. There was so much more potential in his character that was under-utilised. Quote:
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She didn't troll anyone in Aquarion Evol either. It was just like that from the start. And I honestly don't think that "hater" episode in AKB0048 was a troll either. As far as I’m aware of, she doesn’t seem to be famous enough to have a hatedom in Japan so there's no reason why she would. I know it’s a personal thing but for me one of the worst things you can call a writer is a troll because then you're saying that there's no sincerity in their stories. And for me sincerity is extremely important. Often times I've managed to like crappy stories like the To Aru series, ridiculous drama by Jun Maeda in Angel Beats and even dumbcrap shows like Guilty Crown because I felt a genuine sense of sincerity and an honest desire to tell a story. It’s pretty much the biggest reason why I love Toradora!, Redline and Summer Wars. All of those shows were actually pretty standard plot wise but the sincerity behind them was phenomenal. In contrast I generally hate anime where the main appeal is typical ecchi/harem/”eating cake” moe crap because there’s no real desire to tell an actual story. And I’ve always felt there was sincerity in HSI, even in the crappy feminist BS, so I really do think Okada is sincere in her writing. The only time I feel she trolls is during the random cross-dressing but that’s about it. For the record though, Okada hasn’t spared female characters in this. She made a female character cross-dress in the recent Lupin III anime and even went as far to turn a girl into a guy in Aquarion Evol. XP
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