2013-05-12, 08:25 | Link #161 |
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Well, I wasnt including the russian part of europe, but yeah, it was a little off.
Nonetheless, the Populationcount in year 0 should be 40 to 80 Million (World Population at that time 170 to 250 Million, depending at what source do you look. And 18 to25% of that World Population was in Europe.) Yes, crops need time, but the landmass to Population density is way off. Thats below 2 people per square Kilometer (texas has 36). That is a Density like western Sahara and Mongolia. And these are not agrarculturalfriendly places like shown in the series. US has Density of 34 and germany 230. And that Density with this Land available, it should be Eden WITHIN the walls. These 250k could roam the land and live off Animals and berrys before setteling in.
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2013-05-12, 08:34 | Link #162 |
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Though his comparisons are a bit off I must agree with Sun-Ku that 1 million people for that huge area is decidedly on the low side even for a medieval setting. The land should have been big enough to support 1.250 millions inhabitants.
Baghdad in 10th century is estimated to have had about that many citizens and it was a single city in an area that was mostly deserted apart the river banks. Though this is most likely a fantasy setting so it's possible that in this world there are even more difficulties to grow crops (even though they have potatoes).
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Poor ressource management combined with panic probably had a lot to do with it. It's difficult to say for sure without knowing more about the world, but assuming most farmers weren't producing much surplus food and the hunters stuck to killing what they needed, I assume that when the the refugees first arrived, they made a huge hole in whatever food supplies there were. Didn't the government also more or less herd them to one place? (I remember Eren talking about moving to a landfill, I think.) Gathered in one place, they would have seemed like an overwhelmingly huge number of people and they wouldn't have been able to be very productive, so the refugee problem probably appeared vastly inflated to what it actually was. Given that the people in power really don't seem to care much about what happens to anyone else, I assume they took the easy way out and tossed a few hundred people back out to reduce the refugees to a more "manageable" number. So yeah, I agree with you that the land within Wall Rose could have supported all those people, especially given all those wide open spaces everyone seemed to gallop through when looking for that breach, but I can also see why that might not have been obvious to people at the time, especially if they were all terrified at the thought of another attack. Not that any of that makes any less of a messed up decision. |
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Food production isn't just down to size of area it also comes down to weather, land fertility and things like available man power which losing 250k of your able bodied work force from such a tiny population will have a hugh impact on such a labour intensive activities like agriculture. I work in the environmental industry and yes having a large population shift will have a hugh impact on local wild life especially in an enclosed area like their living, examples of that can be seen in our our world like in Africa where people displaced by war and turned to bush meat too survive it devastated local animal populations. Last edited by Newhope; 2013-05-12 at 12:13. |
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England is different from Great Britain, and I'm pretty sure the estimated population of 1 million in early medi-eval times refers to the territories of England alone which amount to 130 km^2
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2013-05-12, 13:02 | Link #167 | |
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According to this 250 km is merely the radius of the first wall. Also I'm aware of the map shown in the manga and it certainly doesn't match with the info provided by the anime as the latter states that the distance between Maria and Rose is the shortest while the former shows that it's the widest. However the manga specifies that that map is just meant to give a general idea and it's not to be considered accurate. If you have another source that makes you think the whole radius is 250 km I'd like to have a link
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2013-05-12, 14:17 | Link #168 |
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You'd have to get someone better than me with japanese to translate that because 250km radius of the central area wouldn't really make sense, because that'd make the size of the area inside the Sina wall only slightly smaller than the areas inside the other 2 walls.
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Either way, if it says central has a radius of 250km, then it has a radius of 250km, unless they provide the contrary. |
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2013-05-12, 15:29 | Link #172 |
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There is no question about the meaning of the information provided by the anime, it's perfectly clear.
At best you can say that the anime is wrong. But that's the only actual numbers that we have. The manga never provided any.
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2013-05-12, 15:33 | Link #173 |
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in the setting where a "mere" nobleman have a house/castle in the middle of the lake (and probably the area around the lake)
I doubt the king is very humble one and have smaller castle/area compared to those peasants/titan's foods/civilian
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And regarding the author I'd like to know where did you get your info that the radius of the whole country is 250k, because as far as I know the only numbers that we have are those provided by the anime. If we don't accept the anime as a reliable source then we simply can't discuss about how big is the area left to humanity.
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Next episode will probably end when Titan Eren saves Mikasa
although highly unlikely (due to time constraint) I really wish that next episode will end with Eren emerge from Titan's body since black haired rogue titan with anger management issue saving Mikasa is not obvious clue enough for non-mangareader
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The average of materiaal Being adapted is around 2 chapters per episode. The last episode was chapter 5 & 6. That is why I think the nest episode will be chapter 7 & 8. Last edited by chaos_alfa; 2013-05-16 at 08:06. |
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It's such a big dilemma really. Both chapter 7 and 9 got awesome cliffhanger endings that could be used to finish up the episode. Personally I would like them to use them instead of wasted on commercial breaks.
Actually, I could see them stopping the next episode with a shot of the Supply Barracks in chapter 8 page 18, the one with Jean looking on worried. The one after that can start out with the same shot and continue from there. I don't mind skipping out the chapter 7 cliffhanger as long as we got the chapter 9 cliffhanger done right. This way episode 7 would also be rounding up a nice mini-arc on Mikasa's state of mind, and prepare things for the Barracks mini arc.
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Also, guys, after reading Marlo and Annie’s conversation about walled kingdom’s government, I just had an epiphany...I don't know if someone mentioned/thought of this, but I get the feeling that Reiner and co's motives(or at least their hometown's) was a rebellion against the king and the system of governance. I think Marlo and Annie’s conversation was spot on or at least part of the big story.
Here’s my random "fun fun" theory/speculation in “the bigger picture” of the story. Is mostly base on random animes I read and probably drifts off from actual evidence in the manga. DON’T READ UNLESS YOU HAVE A LOT OF TIME: Spoiler:
NOW IGNORE ME!! OMG. This post was so long.. This is the first time I posted this long of a speculation... Last edited by saurers123; 2013-05-20 at 06:45. |
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