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Kaoru Chujo · 2016-03-21, 23:19

This felt a bit fillerish to me, especially since I was hoping for the proposal this episode and the wedding next. But that didn't stop me from getting almost weepy when the chief herbalist told Shirayuki she was now a full-fledged court herbalist, and Zen made sure she (and we) realized she had done it on her own.

HtwoN · 2016-03-21, 23:57

Is the anime following the manga? I don't recall the relationship developed this fast. @@

thundrakkon · 2016-03-22, 15:49

So after the translation correction, Izana is really still an a-hole. He also stated that he will get married soon, so he's doubly a hypocrite. I wanted Zen to counter and say, "well, your bride to be better prove to ME that she deserves my support."

As for the episode, it was quite funny and entertaining. I still would have preferred more development for Kiki instead of the other characters. Shirayuki making an official appointment as Court Herbalist was the highlight. It was strange, but I finally noticed that they only ever shown Shirayuki and current 2 top Herbalists. The rest seems to have disappeared, especially the other apprentice.

Blaat · 2016-03-22, 17:26

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Originally Posted by HtwoN

Is the anime following the manga? I don't recall the relationship developed this fast. @@

Yes but they're no longer adapting in order, previous episode was chapter 46 and this week's episode was chapter 27. A rare case where the adaptation is more confusing for a mangareader viewer than the anime-only viewer.

PreSage · 2016-03-22, 19:17

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So after the translation correction, Izana is really still an a-hole. He also stated that he will get married soon, so he's doubly a hypocrite. I wanted Zen to counter and say, "well, your bride to be better prove to ME that she deserves my support."

I don't think Izana is that bad...or bad at all. He's being realistic. Even "hypnotized" Mitsuhide acknowledged the difficult ordeal that Shirayuki and Zen will face if they choose to be together. Mitsuhide said it best that Shirayuki (and Zen) will encounter many difficulties because Zen is a prince...(and she is not).

Izana being the Crown Prince and elder brother took it upon himself to play the devil's advocate to help Shirayuki and Zen learn and grow in order to later face the true devil (i.e. society) that will try to bring down their love simply because of their different social standings.

Izana does not see an issue with Zen wanting to marry but who he chose to marry is the heart of the problem. Izana isn't being hypocritical for saying he will get married unless he ends up marrying someone of lower class like Shirayuki. Unfortunately, I don't think we'll see who Izana will be with in the anime.

One thing that does make it easier for Shirayuki and Zen is the fact that Zen is the 2nd Prince and not the Crown Prince.

Haak · 2016-03-22, 19:33

Zen gets neck pain, Mitsuhide gets high and Shirayuki heals them both. All in a days work...

ValvraveTruth · 2016-03-23, 00:38

Not a surprise that they stop adapting further plot, theres limited episodes left after all.

Flower · 2016-03-23, 01:26

Hey - at least the material is not anime original. To be fair, though, the same thing was done in the first season in the sense of selecting what to adapt here and there as appropriate, so no changes in that sense. And no complaints from me - I still think this season has been an excellent adaptation.

For me the only negative of the series as a whole was the effect the split cour had on me when beginning the second half and experiencing the somewhat jolting feeling of being tossed into the thick of things without sufficient preparation (which is largely my fault anyway). I feel this will definitely be far less for me when the series is finished and it an be watched from beginning to end ... without "interruption"! ^^

I have faith that they should be able to nail the final ep, like they did in season one.

(At least I hope they do

)

Darthtabby · 2016-03-23, 10:04

This was a rather strange episode. I guess they placed this story where they did because they wanted Shirayuki achieving her goal to occur just before the end of the series. From that perspective, it may have been a good decision. Otherwise however I don't think this odd story was a good choice for the second to last episode in the series.

thundrakkon · 2016-03-23, 11:04

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While I do agree that their class status will prove to be difficult, society might not have a problem with it. It's the nobles and possibly his parents who might make an issue. Most of the population, meaning the non-nobles, would probably accept her. Some nobles might make a big deal out of jealousy. Shirayuki seems to have been able to handle them well, so far.

As for Izana, he was definitely a hypocrite when he forced Zen to do marriage interviews, while he has always rejected to do one himself. As for getting married, we'll have to see who she is and how it happened before I can comment further.

Triple_R · 2016-03-24, 00:27

Cour 2 Episode 11 was a good episode overall. It felt just right for a 3rd last episode.

Obi and Kiki have both been fleshed out more in recent episodes, so now was a good time to do the same for Mitsuhide.

This episode had a good lighthearted comedy feel, ideal for a "calm before the storm" moment before the plot kicks it in high-gear again.

Finally, the episode ends on the lead character accomplishing something very important to her overall character arc, but also only tangental to the main romance itself. In other words, it is a nice moment of individual accomplishment for Shirayuki, and a key moment for her and her character, before we get more in-depth into the core romance of the show that ties the two leads together. Basically, Shirayuki's individual arc is nicely clued up before the core romance takes center stage again.

Ideally, this episode would set the stage nicely for a drama/romance/plot-heavy 2-episode finale that wraps everything up beautifully. Well, that would be ideal by my tastes, anyway.

Since there's only one episode left, I'm inclined to think it will be somewhat open-ended. I have some "anime-only viewer" speculations on what the final episode will be like. Those speculations are in spoiler space below for those who are interested in reading it.

Spoiler for Final episode speculations:

Ulin · 2016-03-24, 06:29

And there's no possibility of a 3rd season? If the show is doing alright (and I think it is for what I've heard) there's enought material for another season, isn't there? I've not read the manga yet, since I am waiting to end the anime first but judging from the number of chapters I guess there's enought at least for another half cour.

~Yami~ · 2016-03-24, 09:00

This is a good episode though
we need to deepen Zen-Mitsuhide relationship after all since we already have Kiki's episode last week
seems like Shirayuki finally got her own stand in the castle and make her become closer to Zen

next episode should be interesting because Izana probably would have some talk with Shirayuki again

Blaat · 2016-03-24, 14:18

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And there's no possibility of a 3rd season? If the show is doing alright (and I think it is for what I've heard) there's enought material for another season, isn't there?

Enough for two more cours, the thing is these type of anime rarely get a sequel. :\

Ulin · 2016-03-25, 05:38

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Enough for two more cours, the thing is these type of anime rarely get a sequel. :\

I know. Sometimes I hate when the anime is only used to boost the manga/ln sales... Is it me, or lately it is harder to find adaptations to the end?

kari-no-sugata II · 2016-03-25, 09:59

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I know. Sometimes I hate when the anime is only used to boost the manga/ln sales... Is it me, or lately it is harder to find adaptations to the end?

Most anime adaptions seem to be single cour these days, unfortunately. Most anime seems to be single cour these days too, regardless of origin. I've not seen any statistics though but it seems pretty obvious. Since there's many long running manga series, that unfortunately means that we often don't get to see it all animated - though even 10-20 years ago I remember that being the case.

Anyway... the anime's not yet done anything that makes further seasons improbable and the popularity ratings posted the other day are very encouraging. I've no idea what the final episode will bring... but a "to be continued" would be wonderful

My feeling from the manga is that it's starting to get close to the end. If so we'd probably need 5 cours of anime to complete the story. No complaints there if it actually happened!

PreSage · 2016-03-25, 16:28

It's sad animes like this one rarely gets more than 2 cours...and it's lucky to have even gotten 2 cours.

Is the anime industry still drowning financially? That's why we don't see long running shows as much anymore? And I see mini-series more than I recall nowadays.

Ulin · 2016-03-25, 19:06

I don't know how is in Japan, but I would be VERY reluctant to buy so many "unfinished" shows

Psyco Diver · 2016-03-25, 23:53

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I don't know how is in Japan, but I would be VERY reluctant to buy so many "unfinished" shows

Not the main concern, pushing the novels, magna, LN, ect sales is whats important. They see it as a small investment to boost sales because everyone will want to see what happens. Its almost as if anime is nothing more than a advertisement at times

Stark700 · 2016-03-28, 11:39

Episode 12 (series' finale):

Ah the final episode...good to see Mihaya back.

Also, Shirayuki and Zen shared some intimate moments again to show how their relationship progressed. Pretty fitting finale. I wish Kiki got some "final moments" too but oh well. I thought overall, the show was good, just as enjoyable as season 1 especially the first half in terms of storytelling. I think Bones also did a wonderful job with the technical visuals too. Sad to see this series ending but it was a nice experience watching it :>

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Kaoru Chujo Yuuki Aoi Join Date: Jul 2004	This felt a bit fillerish to me, especially since I was hoping for the proposal this episode and the wedding next. But that didn't stop me from getting almost weepy when the chief herbalist told Shirayuki she was now a full-fledged court herbalist, and Zen made sure she (and we) realized she had done it on her own. __________________ YUUKI Aoi 悠木碧. b92.03.27 (age 29). 2008 Kurenai (Murasaki). 2009 Yumeiro Pâtissière (Ichigo), Kiruminzuu (Riko), Yutori-chan (Yutori-chan). 2010 Vampire Bund (Mina Tepeş), Shiki (Sunako), Samurai Girls (Juubee), Pokémon: Black and White (Iris). 2011 Madoka Magica (Madoka), Gosick (Victorique), A-Channel (Tooru). 2012 Symphogear (Hibiki). 2014 Pilot's Love Song (Claire/Nina), Nanatsu no Taizai (Diane). 2015 Owari no Seraph (Krul Tepes), Rokka no Yuusha (Fremy). 2016 Boku no Hero Academia (Tsuyu, Froppy). 2017 Kino no Tabi (Kino). 2021 Kumo desu ga (watashi), Kaizoku Oujo (Karin), Heike Monogatari (Biwa), etc., etc. Total of 513 roles in anime and games.

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thundrakkon Anime-Only Viewer Graphic Designer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: USA	So after the translation correction, Izana is really still an a-hole. He also stated that he will get married soon, so he's doubly a hypocrite. I wanted Zen to counter and say, "well, your bride to be better prove to ME that she deserves my support." As for the episode, it was quite funny and entertaining. I still would have preferred more development for Kiki instead of the other characters. Shirayuki making an official appointment as Court Herbalist was the highlight. It was strange, but I finally noticed that they only ever shown Shirayuki and current 2 top Herbalists. The rest seems to have disappeared, especially the other apprentice. __________________

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Haak Me, An Intellectual Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: UK Age: 33	Zen gets neck pain, Mitsuhide gets high and Shirayuki heals them both. All in a days work... __________________ MAL \| AnimeSuki Choice Awards 2020 Winners

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ValvraveTruth Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Singapore	Not a surprise that they stop adapting further plot, theres limited episodes left after all. __________________

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Flower Blooming on the mountain Join Date: May 2010 Location: Deep in their roots, all flowers keep the light....	Hey - at least the material is not anime original. To be fair, though, the same thing was done in the first season in the sense of selecting what to adapt here and there as appropriate, so no changes in that sense. And no complaints from me - I still think this season has been an excellent adaptation. For me the only negative of the series as a whole was the effect the split cour had on me when beginning the second half and experiencing the somewhat jolting feeling of being tossed into the thick of things without sufficient preparation (which is largely my fault anyway). I feel this will definitely be far less for me when the series is finished and it an be watched from beginning to end ... without "interruption"! ^^ I have faith that they should be able to nail the final ep, like they did in season one. (At least I hope they do ) __________________

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HtwoN Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Texas, US	Is the anime following the manga? I don't recall the relationship developed this fast. @@

2016-03-23, 10:04	Link #169
Darthtabby Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009	This was a rather strange episode. I guess they placed this story where they did because they wanted Shirayuki achieving her goal to occur just before the end of the series. From that perspective, it may have been a good decision. Otherwise however I don't think this odd story was a good choice for the second to last episode in the series.

2016-03-23, 11:04	Link #170
thundrakkon Anime-Only Viewer Graphic Designer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: USA	Quote Originally Posted by PreSage Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? While I do agree that their class status will prove to be difficult, society might not have a problem with it. It's the nobles and possibly his parents who might make an issue. Most of the population, meaning the non-nobles, would probably accept her. Some nobles might make a big deal out of jealousy. Shirayuki seems to have been able to handle them well, so far. As for Izana, he was definitely a hypocrite when he forced Zen to do marriage interviews, while he has always rejected to do one himself. As for getting married, we'll have to see who she is and how it happened before I can comment further. __________________

2016-03-24, 00:27	Link #171
Triple_R Senior Member Author Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Newfoundland, Canada Age: 42	Cour 2 Episode 11 was a good episode overall. It felt just right for a 3rd last episode. Obi and Kiki have both been fleshed out more in recent episodes, so now was a good time to do the same for Mitsuhide. This episode had a good lighthearted comedy feel, ideal for a "calm before the storm" moment before the plot kicks it in high-gear again. Finally, the episode ends on the lead character accomplishing something very important to her overall character arc, but also only tangental to the main romance itself. In other words, it is a nice moment of individual accomplishment for Shirayuki, and a key moment for her and her character, before we get more in-depth into the core romance of the show that ties the two leads together. Basically, Shirayuki's individual arc is nicely clued up before the core romance takes center stage again. Ideally, this episode would set the stage nicely for a drama/romance/plot-heavy 2-episode finale that wraps everything up beautifully. Well, that would be ideal by my tastes, anyway. Since there's only one episode left, I'm inclined to think it will be somewhat open-ended. I have some "anime-only viewer" speculations on what the final episode will be like. Those speculations are in spoiler space below for those who are interested in reading it. Spoiler for Final episode speculations: I just don't think they have enough time to put a strong finishing note on the Shirayuki/Zen romance while also having lots of good intense drama surrounding it (i.e. coming from other characters). So I think "surrounding drama" will largely be sacrificed so as to give some nice final moments focusing on Shirayuki/Zen as a couple. I'm cautiously hopeful that the show's climax will involve Zen formally making a marriage proposal to Shirayuki, but even this might not happen. The anime might just end on a strong reaffirming that Shirayuki/Zen love each other and want to spend their lives together. If we do get a marriage proposal, then we'll likely see a happy "yes" from Shirayuki, and a very emotionally rich scene that may put a very good final note on the anime. However, I doubt we'll see much aftermath to this. In other words, I doubt we'll see much fallout from Shirayuki/Zen making a marriage announcement, or anything of the sort, since such a thing could easily feel badly rushed with only one episode left to do it within. __________________

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Ulin Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Spain	And there's no possibility of a 3rd season? If the show is doing alright (and I think it is for what I've heard) there's enought material for another season, isn't there? I've not read the manga yet, since I am waiting to end the anime first but judging from the number of chapters I guess there's enought at least for another half cour.

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~Yami~ a random Indonesian otaku Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Xanadu Age: 32	This is a good episode though we need to deepen Zen-Mitsuhide relationship after all since we already have Kiki's episode last week seems like Shirayuki finally got her own stand in the castle and make her become closer to Zen next episode should be interesting because Izana probably would have some talk with Shirayuki again

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PreSage Strangely dependable... Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: some random place out there...	It's sad animes like this one rarely gets more than 2 cours...and it's lucky to have even gotten 2 cours. Is the anime industry still drowning financially? That's why we don't see long running shows as much anymore? And I see mini-series more than I recall nowadays. __________________ :\|::\|Sig Gallery\|::\|: --------------- [/TH][/TR][/table]

2016-03-25, 19:06	Link #178
Ulin Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Spain	I don't know how is in Japan, but I would be VERY reluctant to buy so many "unfinished" shows

2016-03-28, 11:39	Link #180
Stark700 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Somewhere on Earth	Episode 12 (series' finale): Ah the final episode...good to see Mihaya back. Also, Shirayuki and Zen shared some intimate moments again to show how their relationship progressed. Pretty fitting finale. I wish Kiki got some "final moments" too but oh well. I thought overall, the show was good, just as enjoyable as season 1 especially the first half in terms of storytelling. I think Bones also did a wonderful job with the technical visuals too. Sad to see this series ending but it was a nice experience watching it :> __________________