To Aru Majutsu no Index LN - New Testament Volume 19 Discussion / Poll

[DragonXX]

Originally Posted by KiharaRonin

I doubt that short story was mean't to be anything other than pure comedy. People probably realised how the NT17 one was an analogy for the fanbase's attempts to determine the final boss and how they want to limit it down to only two characters despite it being whoever the people fear. Now because it seems like many members of the fanbase want the series to end as soon as possible they probably thought"well obviously the series is going to end soon and since Kamachi is releasing all these short stories, each one is obviously a clue towards the series' end. Well that's hogwash and the NT18 Short Story was cute and funny yes, but only a Rick and Morty fan could view it in deeper meaning.

I don't want the series to end so soon there so must more it could do but this Story Arc does look like it the final of something which Crowley and Coronzon fighting each other.

[KiharaRonin]

Originally Posted by DragonXX

I don't want the series to end so soon there so must more it could do but this Story Arc does look like it the final of something which Crowley and Coronzon fighting each other.

I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about the ones starting such rumors. And again, this probably won't be the final arc. Especially with the Toaru Project 2018. Dengeki would definitely not let that exist if the novel was ending soon.

[LazyHunter]

Oh, that part with the PoV of A.O. Francisca is interesting, and a big hint towards their real identity. The reveal about the Processor Suit is also awesome, as expected of Academy City's science.

Finally we get the Vampire + Zombie Sisters reference.

[KiharaRonin]

Every new translation, we get a reference to another Kamachi series.

[LazyHunter]

Only other stuff from Kamachi are very minor things like Schrodinger's City, Game Therapy or the N fantasy stuff; so we should be done with the references unless they start repeating themselves or Kamachi really goes to reference everything.

[shmaster]

Originally Posted by Endscape

Ehh... I remember hearing some spoilers about Pendex vs Accel. Did that not happen either?

It did, but very briefly.

[salamander750]

Originally Posted by shmaster

It did, but very briefly.

So who is gainning the upper hand?

[Seafoam]

Originally Posted by LazyHunter

Only other stuff from Kamachi are very minor things like Schrodinger's City, Game Therapy or the N fantasy stuff; so we should be done with the references unless they start repeating themselves or Kamachi really goes to reference everything.

Well Schrodinger's cat was mentioned, if you count that.

[KiharaRonin]

Can anyone who's finished the volume say what happens in the ? section of the volume? Last one revealed a 3 heroes scenario incoming so what could this one be?

[Endscape]

Pretty sure the illustrations already spoiled it as being the same as the last one.

[DragonXX]

People are saying that Index has something to do which Lilith but this book had the real Lilith show up in.

I still believe that Index had something to do which Lilith because how must Coronzon was saying that what Awiass had couldn't be the real Lilith. Why could Coronzon not think that it could be done?

There is one reason Coronzon could say that and that if as some people said that Index was the Real Lilith as well and Coronzon did something to get a hold of her.

This could lead to what happen when two of the identical being exist at the same time because even Crowley's possibilities are not identical as seen which the fact this one is a girl.

This could cause a huge paradox if Index and Lililth are identical being in everyway basely perfect clones which we know don't exist in this world from how every Mikoto Clone is different.

This could bring a end to all thing if Index and Lilith are identical being the final showdown in this series is one must die for one to live to stop the world from destorying itself because of a paradox. This could be how the the final fight between Crowley and Touma happen. Touma fighting for Index and Crowley fighting for Lilith.

This would even connect back to how there two Toumas the one before his memory where destory and the one after.

It would be the same for Index and Lilith if this is true which Lilith being the one before her memory were destroy or the one after her memory where destory which is Index.

Also if what Awaiss said about Lilith Life being make from Magic doesn't that mean that Crowley can no longer destory Magic which out killing Lilith?

[KiharaRonin]

I think Coronzon is just over confident and doesn't wanna admit defeat. She seems to think she's got everything in the bag so Lillith being alive or any chance of Crowley winning, she probably refuses to believe. Lillith is why I think his (her?) plans are done. He wanted to destroy magic and religion to get back at the people who made his life unhappy. Now with help from Aiwass, Aleis-Tan's practically achieved Thelema's greatest state and has found a happiness and thus I doubt he still would want magic to be destroyed. For all those saying Aiwass will get angry if he doesn't retry his plans, this isn't the case. It's preet obvious from the Blessing Aiwass gave Aleister in NT19 BTL3 it's pretty obvious that as Aleister's Guardian Angel he just wants him to be happy. Aiwass will do whatever seems to be interesting and we've seen his lack of care for Aleister's plans before. He simply wants Aleister to be happy regardless of his plans or not.

However, there is no proof Index and Lillith are the same person and that was a crazy theory people take to seriously despite lack of evidence. They can't have a teenage girl fight a baby either. Touma and Aleister already had their battle in NT18 so the chances of another one are slim. Also, this Possibility isn't the only girl. There are many "what ifs" for everyone and this just happens to be the one who saved Touma.

[DragonXX]

Originally Posted by KiharaRonin

I think Coronzon is just over confident and doesn't wanna admit defeat. She seems to think she's got everything in the bag so Lillith being alive or any chance of Crowley winning, she probably refuses to believe. However, Lillith's life being made of magic could also explain why she sees this as a fake Lillith. It's also why I think his (her?) plans are done. He wanted to destroy magic and religion to get back at the people who made his life unhappy. Now with help from Aiwass, Aleis-Tan's practically achieved Thelema's greatest state and has found a happiness which would go away if magic were to be destroyed.

However, there is no proof Index and Lillith are the same person and that was a crazy theory people take to seriously despite lack of evidence. They can't have a teenage girl fight a baby either. Touma and Aleister already had their battle in NT18 so the chances of another one are slim. Also, this Possibility isn't the only girl. There are many "what ifs" for everyone and this just happens to be the one who saved Touma.

The only example of possibilies we have in this series so far are phases and Crowley's possibilies which are not identical because each of the bodies are different from each other if we use the current female Crowley for a example.

At least from the female one we know all there self/personally is same but all there bodies/form are different the opposite of all the Mikoto clones beside LO and Worst have bodies/forms that are all the same but there self/personally is different from each other in some ways.

We still do not know what would happen if two people who self/personally and bodies/forms are identical even if one is older and younger would do to the World.

If we bring in the Virtal-On Crossover it was said that for a being to get to another dimension they must switch which the them of that World.

[DragonXX]

Also now that we have a second superpower baby in this series will Lilith and Freyja fight each other at some point.

Also we still need to know why the World did not want Freyja to be born?

[LazyHunter]

It's always nice to see Hamazura Macgyvering something like he did with that crossbow. Shame he failed so much at using it that A.O. Francisca nearly killed him with it. I didn't expect Lilith to have superpowers, but I'm not complaining. I'm interested in seeing how Aleister reacts in the next chapter.

[KiharaRonin]

Originally Posted by DragonXX

The only example of possibilies we have in this series so far are phases and Crowley's possibilies which are not identical because each of the bodies are different from each other if we use the current female Crowley for a example.

At least from the female one we know all there self/personally is same but all there bodies/form are different the opposite of all the Mikoto clones beside LO and Worst have bodies/forms that are all the same but there self/personally is different from each other in some ways.

We still do not know what would happen if two people who self/personally and bodies/forms are identical even if one is older and younger would do to the World.

If we bring in the Virtal-On Crossover it was said that for a being to get to another dimension they must switch which the them of that World.

Well again we have no reason to believe Index and Lillith are the same. Also, we can assume some of the other Possibilities might be different in terms of personality or history since they're what-ifs after all. Aleis-Tan just happens to be "what-if Aleister Crowley went down the same path but was born a girl and stopped growing upon reaching middle school age.

Originally Posted by DragonXX

Also now that we have a second superpower baby in this series will Lilith and Freyja fight each other at some point.

Also we still need to know why the World did not want Freyja to be born?

If i remember correctly, Freyja lost her powers and the mother got her life back with her having to recover. Every member of GREMLIN has reformed so unless Lillith does anything evil, no member of the group would have any reason to care about her.

[shmaster]

Originally Posted by DragonXX

Also if what Awaiss said about Lilith Life being make from Magic doesn't that mean that Crowley can no longer destory Magic which out killing Lilith?

I see you didn't read the chapter correctly. Lilith is not made of magic.
What Aiwass did was he retreated Lilith's Essence into an alternate dimension when she is still inside the womb.
So the baby that Aleister's wife had given birth to is just an empty hudk. Aiwass knowing Lilith is going to die, so he outright prevents Lilith from being born.
The Lilith we see in this volume is the Essence of the Lilith that has been released by Aiwass. This Essence is just a chunk of life force inside the material plan but lacks a body to contain it. To sustain its existence inside the material world, Lilith had to keep on converting it's life force into mana to sustain herself.
So what Aleister really needs to do is provide Lilith a body to stabilize her. Do Lilith no longer has to waste her life force to produce mana.

[OH&S]

Not quite sure on what to feel about Chapter 4.

One one hand, I really wanted there to be more of a fight between Pendex and Accel/Kamijou.

On the other hand, "Get rekt, Coronzon!"

[Endscape]

Haha, Lilith is a riot. She's definitely Aleister's kid with that attitude. I'm disappointed we didn't get to see Pendex vs Accel, but I guess Accelerator deciding to let Touma handle it is a sign that he's getting more mature.

[LazyHunter]

Props to Aleister and Aiwass for trolling Coronzon so hard. So Lilith is a bit like the real Lola who was always harsh when talking to Aleister.