Death Note - Episode 37 [END] Discussion / Poll

[Cooler1339]

Death note ends when L dies for me. Losing to that little kid pisses me off. Light is the winner for realz.

[Arkwright]

If you really want to go into alternate endings...

As a Plan B, since he knew about the warehouse beforehand, Light could have just had Takada write down a large number of random people to arrive at the warehouse just after Mikami arrived in case his plan didn't work, and have them crowd the building allowing Mikami and Light to escape, since by then Mikami has seen everyone's name.

Something along the lines of:

(Random person/Criminal) - Heart attack - Travels to the Yellow Box warehouse in Daikoku Wharf at XX:XX:00 (just after Mikami is scheduled to get there) and stands inside for 10 minutes. Blocks anyone except Light Yagami and Teru Mikami from leaving the warehouse, and dies at XX:XX:00 + 10 minutes.

Repeat for enough people to swamp the warehouse. Then, Light and Mikami go somewhere else and write the names on Light's watch/other spare pages, and go back to collect the notebooks.

L had avoided that kind of scenario by putting Watari in a different location as an observer, but there was nothing really stopping it from working on Near.

[Yukmouth]

correct me if im wrong but wasn't there a 3rd DN (Rem's DN)???


and i think this episode is bad bad bad

[Dagger]

The two DNs at the end are Rem's and Ryuk's.

Ryuk also had Shidoh's, which Shidoh reclaimed earlier in the series.

[poolfan]

Originally Posted by Arkwright

If you really want to go into alternate endings...


(Random person/Criminal) - Heart attack - Travels to the Yellow Box warehouse in Daikoku Wharf at XX:XX:00 (just after Mikami is scheduled to get there) and stands inside for 10 minutes. Blocks anyone except Light Yagami and Teru Mikami from leaving the warehouse, and dies at XX:XX:00 + 10 minutes.

LOL. That way both Light and Mikami will die

[Irkalla]

Originally Posted by Yukmouth

correct me if im wrong but wasn't there a 3rd DN (Rem's DN)???


and i think this episode is bad bad bad

If I remember right, a Shinigami came and took a dn.

Ok anyway.
I was really disappointed by this ending. They didn't show any of the last chapter which was imo the most important one to fulfill this story. I mean, they didn't show the talk between Matsuda and that other dude talking about how the crimes went up again and that Kira was actually worshiped by people.
Makes Light look like some psycho murderer with no reason for killing, which he actually had. I'm actually surprised they didn't show Mikami bashing Light, that he is no God just some kind of trash, since the anime seemed to show how Kira was really wrong in his doing.

The good thing about the anime ending was Light's death. He didn't beg Ryuk for his life, neither to kill those guys, and also the scene was really pretty. Well, this whole episode had a really nice animation, the best from all episodes. The music was great too in the end. Overall I would give it a 6/10.

[zalem]

There is going to be a Death Note special aired this summer, so I am assuming the final chapter will be covered then.

[psycho bolt]

Originally Posted by zalem

There is going to be a Death Note special aired this summer, so I am assuming the final chapter will be covered then.

Um, where can I find this news? Oh wait what was the wording after the end of the credits? Is that what its saying?

[FlashCE]

Can someone explain how Mikami writing Takada's name made Light lose? I don't understand that part.

[Erazor]

“… everyone would pretend to be pure… we mustn’t do that… of course they’d say that. Of course that’s the correct answer, because humans have to act that way in public……. but in their hearts they are crying out for Kira to continue…” ~Kira

I would say that around 95% of the people in this world would use such an item as a Death Note to benefit themselves cunningly, killing only a few people here and there, the ones that you hate, the deaths that will benefit you, all sneakily so the rest of the society doesn’t catch up with you. Yet this is just as evil as Kira is, you just kept the quantity down, so what… and yes I truly believe only 5% of humanity will disregard the Death Note without use.

Yagami Light was special, he took it beyond. He knew what he was getting himself into, that he would grow a name in society and be acknowledged, but on top of that he knew the consequences and the possible death penalty which was warned to him by L (TV part in ep2).

This is why I think the “pathetic” Light in ep37 was very out of place, I think it was done obviously to create some emotional remorse for him (and prove a point maybe).
There were many times when Kira knew the possibility of an outcome like this, like the part where Light creates the flame trap in his draw, and Ryuk tells him he can burn his whole body and he replies “I’ve been taking risks from the very beginning, when I first received the death note”.
More importantly how calm was light when Ryuk first appeared and he thought he was going to die, that Ryuk would steal his soul or something he was actually prepared for the consequences of using the Death Note.

As for the outcome, the ending I can’t agree with it. The story line wasn’t as solid as it was in other parts of death note (Like at the start). Mikiami going out of his way to get the real death note to kill Takada was a little random, and executed solely because the storyline needed that situation.
Also how can someone as intelligent as Light be stupid enough to shout out “Near, It’s my win” no matter how big your confident or ego is, everyone will have that naturally doubt that it may NOT work, like the same feeling we had while watching it (well I sure did). If he hadn’t said that he would have only been in a sticky situation like he was with L, they not going to prove he was Kira solely from the fact his name wasn’t written on there (Even though Near says this, he was obviously going for the bigger evidence which he got).

As for Light having no remorse… yes he actually did, watch episode one again when he kills two people and walks through the alley way. “Humans lives should not be simply tossed away! Do I have the right to pass judgement on others?” He then decides to stick to his plans, beliefs, and hide these emotions.
So what if he killed Penbar and his Fiancée, it was them or him, and that’s what you get trying to go after such things as Kira, they knew their life was at stake.

As for some people saying how Light’s life would have been without the death note… no no no… Light was bored and sick of the rotten world from the start, he had these beliefs before, but not the power. I think the Death Note is the best thing he could have possible wished for, just like how he said to his mother “I have everything I need” (the Death Note)

If anyone is evil in DN, I think it would have to be Ryuk, The excitement and thrill he gets from this “game” surpasses Light’s. The way he laughs at other people’s situation is just pure evil. Then he kills Yagami Light who was somewhat like a friend, not to mention all those apples he gave him, simply because he can’t be bothered to wait for his natural death, but he's not human so it's ok?

[psycho bolt]

Originally Posted by FlashCE

Can someone explain how Mikami writing Takada's name made Light lose? I don't understand that part.

He had to go to bank and get's Takada's death note or the real death note so he could continue judging. So Near finds out and plans to get it taken and have a fake replace it. I think.

[zalem]

Originally Posted by FlashCE

Can someone explain how Mikami writing Takada's name made Light lose? I don't understand that part.

Basically Mikami panicked because he wanted to kill Takada and thought that Light wouldn't be able to. He didn't have a spare piece of death note lying about so he had to go to the bank to get the real death note to write in Takada's name. This tipped off Near immediately because he went to the bank "out of schedule." Mikami is super organized and punctual...he never does things out of schedule or sequence. He always goes to the bank at a particular time on a particular day. So this random trip to the bank raised suspicions and they were able to find the real death note because of this.

[Zetrio]

Originally Posted by Arkwright

(Random person/Criminal) - Heart attack - Travels to the Yellow Box warehouse in Daikoku Wharf at XX:XX:00 (just after Mikami is scheduled to get there) and stands inside for 10 minutes. Blocks anyone except Light Yagami and Teru Mikami from leaving the warehouse, and dies at XX:XX:00 + 10 minutes.
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Mikami doesnt have the real DN. One is already with aizawa, the other with near.

[fullbleach]

Oh my god I can`t believe what I saw but then again I didn`t think it was going to be that happy of an ending but it was sad to see his dream crushed.

[psycho bolt]

Originally Posted by Erazor

As for the outcome, the ending I can’t agree with it. The story line wasn’t as solid as it was in other parts of death note (Like at the start). Mikiami going out of his way to get the real death note to kill Takada was a little random, and executed solely because the storyline needed that situation.
Also how can someone as intelligent as Light be stupid enough to shout out “Near, It’s my win” no matter how big your confident or ego is, everyone will have that naturally doubt that it may NOT work, like the same feeling we had while watching it (well I sure did). If he hadn’t said that he would have only been in a sticky situation like he was with L, they not going to prove he was Kira solely from the fact his name wasn’t written on there (Even though Near says this, he was obviously going for the bigger evidence which he got).

Yeah Light shouting, "Near, It's my win" is kinda out of his line, but the thing is the Light truely believes he will succeed and that Near can't surpass L. At that time Light definetly changed, well it wasn't the first, but I believed he was getting reckless after L died.

Originally Posted by Erazor

As for Light having no remorse… yes he actually did, watch episode one again when he kills two people and walks through the alley way. “Humans lives should not be simply tossed away! Do I have the right to pass judgement on others?” He then decides to stick to his plans, beliefs, and hide these emotions.
So what if he killed Penbar and his Fiancée, it was them or him, and that’s what you get trying to go after such things as Kira, they knew their life was at stake.

Yeah Light did have remorse in the beginning. However, Light's behavior was changing throughout the story. He just became too greedy and selfish in the end. In the end, he was totatoly lost at mind, no longer to keep his calm self that his previous had. He was reckless. I believe he was also very desperate to win. When Light's life was passing by him, he realizes how different he is now than before.

Originally Posted by Erazor

As for some people saying how Light’s life would have been without the death note… no no no… Light was bored and sick of the rotten world from the start, he had these beliefs before, but not the power. I think the Death Note is the best thing he could have possible wished for, just like how he said to his mother “I have everything I need” (the Death Note)

If anyone is evil in DN, I think it would have to be Ryuk, The excitement and thrill he gets from this “game” surpasses Light’s. The way he laughs at other people’s situation is just pure evil. Then he kills Yagami Light who was somewhat like a friend, not to mention all those apples he gave him, simply because he can’t be bothered to wait for his natural death, but he's not human so it's ok?

Well, the whole story's theme focuses on morality. I believe that lots of people in the story did evil things. Remember the bussiness men?

[Auro]

That's it. Death Note has ended.

Spoiler for Episode:

The middle was just too intense. To think that even though Near had altered the real notebook... I was still waiting there knowing that Light had the piece in his watch, thinking he could still win! That was so scary. It was still a fact of 'whose gonna win?'

Matsuda:
I like Matsuda in this episode, the way he fell to his knees when discovering Light was Kira.
He saved Near's life.
I liked his va as well, just his overall character... so full of betraly and hurt - I mean Light was really a friend to him, I think so. But then, how Light when on about his father and the others being fools, that was the real breaking point for Matsuda.

Mikami:
I also felt sorry for Mikami, I wonder what really went through his mind, during Light's worst-moments.
When it was clear that Light's plan had failed, Mikami cried out "I did everything you instructed!"
Although that suicide was a real wtf?! thing, I really thought it was a diversion for Light to escape... well it worked anyway.

Light:
I really don’t know who I wanted to win - I'm a Light supporter to some extent, but after he killed Ray I was like... I dunno, I didn't like him so much.
When I went through Lights behaviour in my mind, pf course, he killed the innocent people that stood in his way. Because they were really opposing to his new laws, his world. He had been given the opportunity to make it a better place.
But,
In this episode, it was so sad to see him like this... his first reaction once caught was "its a trick!"
I do like how Aizawa was the one to come up, hand on Lights shoulder and say "Light-kun, its already too late... Near has won."
The way Light stammered away from those handcuffs, with the scream-cry "stop..." his va did such a wonderful job, and so did the animators... Lights face when one minute had passed and everyone was alive, and then when Near said: "Yagami Light, L, Kira... you have lost."

But then, how he burst into laughter "that's right. I am Kira." The shadow he had cast on the garage(?) door, and the music they had as he described himself as "the god of the new world." I thought was well done, the camera angles, shadows, the poses...

After being shot by Matsuda, just seeing him squirm in that puddle, asking for Mikami, Misa, Takada to help him. It was just so painful to watch. This strong character saying "someone... it hurts..."

Running down that street with the sunset - it was such lovely animation for such a strong characters' weakest moment. Those visions of his earlier self, showed just what had become of him. And then Ryuk's voice as he continued to run, while the taskforce continue to try and find him. Well, Ryuk showed no emotion whatsoever, no remorse, but of course - he is a shinigami.~
The ending with Light lying on those stairs, the last thing he sees is L standing there. I was hoping if Light was going to die that we would actually see L - it wasn't the first vision Light had had of L. Though, this time, it was L watching Light die. Interesting though, we didn't get to see L's expression... I wonder what it would have been?

Interesting Notes:
Really, first you could say if it wasn't for Mikami, Light would have won, in the end it was Mikami writing Takada's name... if it wasn't for that, Near said himself he wouldn't have thought of the fake book.
But really, I think the mistake was Light's... I mean Mikami was too punctual. I suppose really, that helped in Lights ultimate plan (the fake notebook) but still they were suspicious of Mikami's move to the bank the second time that month.

Through the series I think I've heard a plane noise (as in taking-off) 3 times.
1) When Light got his memories back
2) Ep 36 where Near says "we wont die, I modified the notebook." We thinking "yes everyones safe!" then Light thinking "just as planned!"
3) When Light escapes out the door after Mikami doing suicide.
~ Just thought I'd randomly throw that out there, I just wonder if they used it for the big 'turning point' although now the 3rd time... well...

L was usually a step ahead of Light, whereas Mello and Near seemed to be just behind.
I really like how Near admitted that he nor Mello could surpass L - but really together they could, well they did. Near did need Mello, otherwise Light would have been right "Near, your inferior to L."

As for manga-vrs-anime ending. (I've been reading the manga only after seeing the anime) ... I like a bit of each. I agree it would have been nice to have combined them.
Especially:

Spoiler for manga chapter 108:

I don't so much care for the Matsuda suspecting Near thing. Its a nice add on, but really what I liked best was the world returning to what it was before Kira. But really the ending, with the kira worshipers. To me, its like Light/Kira really did become a god. He is not on the world and now he has his own worshipers, maybe a religion but there is no fact to that at all. He really did become a god.

Wow.

Death Note will forever be my no 1 favourite series! That's for sure.
Well, now to look forward to the second movie, the games, re-watching it in dub and the L movie.

[Hisoka??]

Originally Posted by poolfan

You have the same idea of justice as my friend. Basically absolute power corrupts absolutely. When you have absolute power, it earns you the right to define what justice is. After all, you can kill off all the people who disagrees with you so only those that support you (most likely out of fear) stay alive.

Spoiler for Mikami and Takada:

Mikami knew (note the past tense) about using scraps of DN to kill since he was the one who sent Takda scaps of DN to use. He also knew the rule of puppeteer - he killed Takada in the exact same way as Light BUT NOT Takada (or else she could have puppeteered Mello to open the Truck before dying).

actually it appears most legal systems around have the mindset of obstruction of justice = guilty too.

so i won't say his way of thinking is wrong or weird. obstructing the cops in their duties or covering for a robber is illegal too if i;m not wrong

[zalem]

Originally Posted by psycho bolt

Um, where can I find this news? Oh wait what was the wording after the end of the credits? Is that what its saying?

It was mentioned earlier in the thread. It was announced after the credits, but it seems the RAWs out there cut that part out.

[edit] It was also announced here: http://www.animeonline.com/index.php...ails&id=102438

[Hazelshock]

I would liked to see the ending of the manga animated instead of the ending they created, although not bad but would of prefered the other

[maverickudo]

R.I.P. Yagami Light aka: Kira, second "L", God of Justice

u effin' massive psycho

i was expecting more too for the ending ...like a bit more from the manga. i'm not saying it was horrible..just..well i rushed.

but it was so cute...L shows up as a ghostie for us at the end...and for Light. awww :]