2009-07-29, 08:19 | Link #1781 | |
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Saki's down exactly 7777 points! That means we automatically win in this year's tournament rules, since the "luck sevens" rule variant is in effect! (ahem, yes I know scores are rounded to hundreds... that's part of the joke)
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2009-07-29, 11:01 | Link #1785 | |
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2009-07-29, 12:32 | Link #1787 |
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None of the rules are weird individually, but in combination they seem not to make much sense.
Adding in red dora just adds in randomness and having hands be worth more points randomly, while not having double yakuman helps (a tiny bit) to keep 1 lucky hand from deciding an entire match... So those two rules seem counter to each other. 'Course looking at it another way, with so few han-chans being played, the red dora give better chances of a school making a comeback, while the double-yakuman ban is because such a hand, by itself, would clinch almost any match.
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2009-07-29, 13:11 | Link #1788 | |
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2009-07-30, 00:06 | Link #1790 |
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Can someone explain to me the no double yakuman rule?
a Yakuman is worth 32,000 points (Ep10) but a Kokushi Musou (13 Orphens) is worth 48,000 points (Ep16). Why are both Yakuman worth different amount of points? I had the impression that all Yakuman are worth the same if you include the "No double yakuman rule" |
2009-07-30, 00:12 | Link #1791 |
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The difference in points is due to whether you are the dealer (or you are East), or you are a non-dealer (west, north south). In rough terms, if you are East you always win more off your hands. In the case of a Yakuman (which can be su-anko as Kaori's and saki's, Kokushi-musou or the many other Yakuman's) you get 48000 points, and 32000 if you are non-east.
If you remember ep. 16, when Saki was worried about Yumi's 13 orphans Yumi was the East seat so that's the reason it was potentially worth 48000. On contrast, when Saki and Kaori won from a Su-anko they were non-dealers, so they only won 32000 points. There are certain Yakuman's that if you meet certain conditions you would get a double Yakuman. (double the points). That and diffent yakuman's are stackable when possible. But that's only when the rules allow for that.
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2009-07-30, 00:16 | Link #1792 | |
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Double yakuman hands are one of a few super-rare hands:
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2009-07-30, 00:39 | Link #1793 | |
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North wins with a tsumo mangan (2000 basic points) East pays 2x basic points 4000 South pays 1x BP 2000 West pays 1x BP 2000 = 8000 points total East wins with a tsumo mangan (2000 basic points) South pays 2x BP 4000 West pays 2x BP 4000 North pays 2x BP 4000 = 12000 points total So East always wins 6x basic points, and everyone else always wins 4x basic points. |
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2009-07-30, 01:29 | Link #1794 |
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The payment rules are summarized most simply by: East pays double, gets double.
So non-East pay 1x the base score and East pays 2x on a tsumo by a non-east player, giving them 1+2+1= 4 times based score. If you are east and you tsumo, then you get 2x from each player for 2+2+2=6 times base score, i.e. 50% more than what you'd get as not-east. For rons, the person who gave up the ron pays on behalf of everyone, so for a non-east ron it's 4 times the base score, and for an east ron it's 6. (there's some finer points because rounding only happens after the doubling of the base score, so sometimes east pays a "little" less than double, e.g. 30 fu, 1 fan is 300 from non-east, 500 from east, because the base score is 240 (30*2*2*2). So 1 times the base score is 240 rounded up to 300, but 2 times the base score is 480 rounded up = 500. Once you get into limit hands, then yes, it's always exactly 2x.
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2009-07-30, 02:16 | Link #1796 | |
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Often even in the same country there are many different ways to play Mahjong. So if it feels like sometimes rules in the tournament are just found out when convenient, sometimes playing real life mahjong in a new place can be similar too. |
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2009-07-30, 05:06 | Link #1797 |
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Totally off-topic:
Man, i love Saki (this anime) very much. When a series have a meta-amusement, it's a keeper. What i mean is i got as much fun from watching Saki as i got from watching people who watch Saki. - Power level discussion that doesn't spiral down into trollage. - Criticism on how Mahjong is handled in the anime. - Disussion about Mahjong (this is something that really gets my eyes rolling). - Crack theories. - Any speculations involving yuri. - "<insert name here> is my waifu" - etc. If Animesuki is good for something , it's good for being a Weapon of Mass Discussion. Saki is not at the level of Umineko or (gods forbid) Touhou, but it's something. Keep up the hype, folks
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2009-07-30, 10:33 | Link #1798 | |
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2009-07-30, 10:56 | Link #1800 | |
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Wow, someone really missed the point there... There is no yuri "speculation" OR "speculations" in this anime. The yuri is FACT.
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