Character Discussion - Lelouch

[morbosfist]

All the Korean spoilers have happened more or less as written. They only got a few times wrong and mistook a band aid for a ring.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Well, one could suppose that a ring might appear later, as Narona (I think) insist . So far the only thing we know that they got wrong is when Ougi would meet viletta.

[bladeofdarkness]

i wondered for a while about the extent of lulu's feelings for nunnaly and deceided to put my two cents up for debate

Spoiler for long ass post:

we all know that nunnaly is the most importent person in lulu's world
and its clear that they have for years been closer to each other then anyone else could possibly be
but here is a question
what is nunnaly to lulu
after all its clear that for a 9 year old lulu taking care of his sister alone was an incredible burden to bare
and yet he did it for years without ever complaining (that we know of)
a 9 year old
taking care of a blind crippled girl
alone for years
so why would he do that
why would he devote his life to taking care of her when the task is almost unberable for someone his age
this is not a matter of being her brother
brotherhood alone cannot explain the kind of strengh it would take to do this at his age
a 9 year old who weeks before watched his mom get gunned down
clearly in any other normal place he would be the one who needs taking care of (and clearly he and nunnaly have been taken in by others like the kirihara's or the ashfords)
but here is a little kid shouldering this huge resposibilty by himself (taking it on himself)
i think that after their mom's death and their exile lulu has been taking care of nunnaly becouse it was (even if he didnt think of it as such) a reason for him to keep on living
he just watched his mom die violently and after he asked his dad why he didnt save her he gets told that he is worthless and gets kicked out of his home
exiled to some far away land to be used as a political tool
who wouldnt consider just giving up
but the task of taking care of nunnaly means he cant do that
he cant just give up becouse there is someone who needs him
he is needed and so he has a purpose
a reason to live

nunnaly has been called his "reison detre" many times (this is a translation but it carries the meanning of the japanese phrase pretty well)
she is his reason for being
his reason to exist

in ep seven he was in a state of total despair
not becouse he lost nunnaly but becouse she didnt need him anymore (in his eyes)
thats why when kallen and rolo came to talk to him they had different levels of effectivenes

kallen failed at first becouse she didnt understand the reason behind he's state
she said that just becouse he failed once to get her back doesnt mean he cant try again
she didnt get that it wasnt about the failure but rather that now nunnaly didnt need him anymore (getting her back was pointless)
thats why his response to her was a hostile one (the kiss wasnt meant in any romantic way ,far from it)
he did start to come to his senses after she "bright slapped" him becouse she told him the magic words
"you bear the responsbility of showing us our dreams"
in other words you still have a reason to live
you are still needed
after she ran off he was going to run after her when rolo showed up

rolo on the other hand nailed it
he knew from the start that lulu's relationship with nunnaly wasnt about just having her there
he knew that it was about getting her back but that it was about being needed by her
thats why he made sure that lulu was confronted by her pictures in the train
he wanted him to face his loss and accept it as a total loss
and he played on that by telling lulu that zero , the OOBK and his fight were not needed
that he didnt have a reason for doing any of those things becouse they would only hamper nunnaly's goals
he told him that the only thing he needed to do for nunnaly was to do nothing
it worked like a charm and were it not for the student council he would have given up all hope for it

thats my two cents
looking forward to your views on it

[PointZero]

A beautifully written theory. However, the final scenes of Turn 16 show that Nunally still seems to be Lelouch's raison d'tere. He laments hoe creating a gentler world for Nunally is futile if no country will take them in - a prince and princess vi Britannia. Lelouch may have developed better reasons for his goals, but at the core of it is still Nunally.

I wonder, would this make him a bigger siscon than Komui from D.Gray-Man.

[Anth0v3r]

Lelouch is certainly the darkest main person in the world of Manga ...
His ideas are so spectaculous ! He's so intelligent ! I love it !
I think it was the best hero of Nippon ! Nippon Banzaï !

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Originally Posted by Anth0v3r

Lelouch is certainly the darkest main person in the world of Manga ...

Nah, Yagami Light has that spot

[Bennyswan]

Originally Posted by DarkLordOfkichiku

Nah, Yagami Light has that spot

Swimming lessons ftw.

[Aquaman OS]

Lelouch at least has some redeeming qualities even if he constantly buries them behind his evil act which at this point is only hurting him rather than helping him. Light on the other hand had none and was just pure evil inside (according to the author) if anything they are opposites of each other.

[ZeroSama]

Originally Posted by DarkLordOfkichiku

Nah, Yagami Light has that spot

Light had no regrets about what he was doing and believed he was absolutely right in what he was doing because of his god complex. Hell he even said he would kill his family if they got in the way.

Lulu on the has came close to quitting many times because he is uncertain about what he is doing and if any one believes he would hurt much less kill Nunnaly then go read the Bokuru No Hibiki side stories. Nunnaly admits to C.C. that she has never argued once with her brother and that if she did he would let her(a blind cripple) walk all over him.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Originally Posted by ZeroSama

Light had no regrets about what he was doing and believed he was absolutely right in what he was doing because of his god complex. Hell he even said he would kill his family if they got in the way.

Lulu on the has came close to quitting many times because he is uncertain about what he is doing and if any one believes he would hurt much less kill Nunnaly then go read the Bokuru No Hibiki side stories. Nunnaly admits to C.C. that she has never argued once with her brother and that if she did he would let her(a blind cripple) walk all over him.

Yes, yes, I know. That's why Yagami Light takes the spot as one of the darkest main characters ever

[ZeroSama]

Originally Posted by DarkLordOfkichiku

Yes, yes, I know. That's why Yagami Light takes the spot as one of the darkest main characters ever

He is indeed the darkest ever character, however for the life of me i cannot see why some people compare the 2. Really. There chessmasters and that about as far as the similarities go.

[bladeofdarkness]

light belived he was to be a god
lulu knows that he might become the devil

[Methuselah]

Why don't you question all the Kira and Lacus comparasons that comes up around here while you are at it? Nothing makes sense in the slightest detail....

[ZeroSama]

Originally Posted by Methuselah

Why don't you question all the Kira and Lacus comparasons that comes up around here while you are at it? Nothing makes sense in the slightest detail....

At least with that it's another Sunrise show. People love making comparissons between them.

Rememeber when people say the Tristain for the first time people were like "WTF it's the Kyrios you fail at originality Sunrise". Like a mech that transforms into a jet before has never been done in anything other than a Sunrise franchise. WTF has everyone forgotten Macross?

[Guilford]

Originally Posted by ZeroSama

At least with that it's another Sunrise show. People love making comparissons between them.

Rememeber when people say the Tristain for the first time people were like "WTF it's the Kyrios you fail at originality Sunrise". Like a mech that transforms into a jet before has never been done in anything other than a Sunrise franchise. WTF has everyone forgotten Macross?

I guess many mech battle fans want more PEW PEW lasers and less singing in their mech anime

[ZeroSama]

Originally Posted by Guilford

I guess many mech battle fans want more PEW PEW lasers and less singing in their mech anime

I like my pew pew lasers and singing thank you very much and a franchise that brought us the "MMM"tm can't be all bad.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Guilford

I guess many mech battle fans want more PEW PEW lasers and less singing in their mech anime

have you seen the new macross frontier
ranka FTW

[Guilford]

Originally Posted by ZeroSama

I like my pew pew lasers and singing thank you very much and a franchise that brought us the "MMM"tm can't be all bad.

ah, don't get me wrong, I really like the Macross animes too, I just think that some viewers won't like them for their singing

Edit: Everyone is misunderstanding me -.-

[ZeroSama]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

have you seen the new macross frontier
ranka FTW

Ranka looks like a mutt with those "things"(only word i can use to describe them) on the side of her head though. If she loses them i'll ship her, otherwise Sheryl FTW.

Originally Posted by Guilford

ah, don't get me wrong, I really like the Macross animes too, I just think that some viewers won't like them for their singing

Edit: Everyone is misunderstanding me -.-

Naw i got what you meant but i know somep people don't like Macross. No accounting for taste i suppose.

[Guilford]

Originally Posted by ZeroSama

Ranka looks like a mutt with those "things"(only word i can use to describe them) on the side of her head though. If she loses them i'll ship her, otherwise Sheryl FTW.



Naw i got what you meant but i know somep people don't like Macross. No accounting for taste i suppose.

Sheryll definitely has to win the princess for herself, Ranka's char design is too cute for my taste, especially when Alto already has his girly look...there has to be someone who's wearing the pants