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ef, I don't like because the characters are either stock or selfish. It worked better when I was younger. Now that I'm older, the multiple cell phone messages just creep me out.
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2012-04-12, 20:36 | Link #1822 | ||
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So let me see if I have this correctly...
I stated that maybe the reason an adaptation sucks is because the source material itself sucks, to which you replied by saying you doubt a studio would waste its time adapting something that isn't somewhat promising. I replied by saying the studios are just looking to make money, as you said, regardless of the quality the source material although at point you already clarified your earlier statement of somewhat promising meaning it [the adaptation] will have a good chance of making decent sales. Makes sense. However, I don't see how well an adaptation sells refute my initial claim that entertained the possibility that the reason an adaptation is bad is because the original source itself is bad. Quote:
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Are you absolutely sure the preexisting fandom for any of the shows you listed consisted of even the plurality of their sales? Depending on the popularity of the source material itself and how well or not the adaptation sells, the audience an adaptation loses could be insignificant or it could be substantial. In other words, I don't find it productive making a sweeping statement that attributes the quantity of sales of any adaptation to being related, or unrelated, to the source material but instead should examine each series on a case-by-case basis (which I don't feel like doing. I'll leave that to someone else.). And anyway...the tangent we went off in regarding sales was only for decent sales (you said "somewhat promising" and you seem to be using that in terms of sales, so...) not the blockbuster-like sales (what I assume you mean by "selling well"). For what's it worth though, I heard the K-On! anime was pretty different from the manga but we all know how much money that one made for KyoAni. Even if the two were similar, I honestly get the feeling it was the anime which really made the series very popular instead of the manga (although I don't know if that's true. Can someone confirm or deny?).
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Fate/Zero (ufotable/Aniplex of America) 2012/03/07 47,623 Blu-ray Disc BOX I (Thirteen re-edited episodes, episode one is a 60 minute special) Horizon in the Middle of Nowhere (Kyoukaisen no Horizon) 21,107 (4+) (Sunrise/Sentai Filmworks) 2011/12/22 24,605 I Limited Edition (One episode) 2012/01/27 21,716 II LE (Two episodes up to VII) 2012/02/24 21,409 III LE 2012/03/23 16,696 IV LE Persona 4: The Animation (Persona 4) *7,900+23,163=31,063 (5+) (AIC ASTA/Sentai Filmworks) 2011/11/23 11,410 Vol. 1 Limited Edition (One episode) 2011/12/21 *8,051 Vol. 2 LE (Three episodes up to current volume) 2012/01/25 *7,722 Vol. 3 LE 2012/02/22 *6,746 Vol. 4 LE 2012/03/21 *5,570 Vol. 5 LE 2011/11/23 29,959 Vol. 1 2011/12/21 23,890 Vol. 2 2012/01/25 22,524 Vol. 3 2012/02/22 21,514 Vol. 4 2012/03/21 17,921 Vol. 5 Keep in mind that the Manabi line is 3,5k sales. Each of those series have surpassed that ammount several times. Quote:
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As quoted from wiki "The first manga volume of K-On! was the 30th highest-selling manga volume in Japan for the week of April 27 and May 3, 2009, having sold over 26,500 volumes that week.[103] The following week, the first and second manga volumes were the 19th and 20th highest-selling manga volumes in Japan, having sold 23,200 and 22,500 volumes each the week of May 4 and May 10, 2009. As of May 2009, the first two manga volumes each sold about 136,000 copies each.[104] The third volume sold over 120,000 copies the week of December 14–20, 2009,[105] and became the 46th top-selling manga for the first half of 2010 in Japan (ending May 23), selling over 328,000 copies.[106]" The manga is diffrent from the anime because it was in a 4-koma format but the anime was still quite faithfull to manga. |
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As for Maison Ikkoku, let me tell you, I did not like other works by Rumiko Takahashi that much, to me Ranma 1/2 and Urusei Yatsura did not stand the test of time that well, perhaps because I am tired of the whole "female abuse male with no consequence and because ITS COMEDY" that Takahashi have abused and popularized. However, Maison Ikkoku is the single work by her that I thoroughly respect and can rewatch without regret. It's to me her more mature work. It's really worth checking out.
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2012-04-13, 12:26 | Link #1828 |
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Just reminding myself and maybe others:
----- The point of the thread is to vent about anime one hates and that they don't get why others like it. There's no reason to defend or explain an anime here. And there's really no reason that a poster has to make sense when expressing their "!ARGH!" In some cases, it may be more illuminating about the poster themself than the anime they're ranting about. --- On topic, I'll admit to tiring of some people who get fixated on "action adventure for little boys" sub-genre and never expand their horizons. They claim to be "anime fans" but they're really only interested in either one anime or in a very small subset of anime offerings. I have a few examples out of almost any genre that I like. OTOH, the more shouting, posturing, power ups, etc though... the more likely I am to hit the FF button.
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You know, from that same wiki, it says the anime came out on April 3rd, 2009, right? Hey wait, did you know the K-On! manga came out in May 2007?
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2012-04-13, 17:23 | Link #1830 |
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Not to step into this... but an example that jumps immediately to mind is Mayoi Neko Overrun! where the anime "adaption team" just decided to make 9/12s of the series omake parodies rather than adapt the story line. It might have been fun for some but definitely not for others.
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2012-04-14, 00:44 | Link #1833 |
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Kimagure Orange Road is probably going on here based on the first four episodes I watched. Holy crap, did I hate them. For it's time, it was probably good, but it is severely outdated as of now.
Ignoring the fact that the characters are stock and the drama reminds me of Glass No Megami, never give me an anime with bullies that aren't funny in it, because they are my number one hated anime cliche due to how boring, annoying, and downright lazy they are. And every single episode I saw had them. Also, that short-haired girl is the better girlfriend, hands down.
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Maison Ikkoku was produced in the same period (though MI seems to hold up better with modern audiences, it still has secondary characters some find impossibly annoying/distracting). You might watch some of MI and see what you think.
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2012-04-14, 17:53 | Link #1836 | |
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As for Maison Ikkoku, I'm really afraid I may not take too kindly to that either based on what little I saw. But maybe I'll check it out later.
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I only read a little of the KOR manga but never ended up finishing it (although I always heard KOR: I want to return to that day was the real favorite part of the series).
As for Maison Ikkoku I think it still stands up wonderfully today and is definitely one of the best romantic comedies (and this is not just counting anime) I've ever experienced.
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My reasoning was if they did that , then they will lose a large portion of their viewers and potential DVD and Blu-ray's for the betrayal. The only kind of series that the companies can throw away the plot without hurting it's sales are series with hardly any plot like my earlier mentioned ecchi fanservice or moe series. Quote:
Also you seem to neglict the fact that blu-rays and dvd's of anime series are quite expensive in japan. I doubt that anyone who is not a fan would shell out atleast 70 dollars for 2 episodes. Also it was even worse for Fate/Zero because the series can only be bought as a boxset that costed roughly 500 dollars. If you are too lazy to do that, well how do you prove your point that there are anime series out there that threw away the plot of it's source and yet still managed to do well? Quote:
As for the actual sales of 2008, you can't find it online since it never made in any weekly top 30 rankings of that year. Yet it already had a fanbase before 2009 and it's popularity rose tremendously after the anime (similar to what the anime adaption of the idolm@ster did to it's original) Last edited by hyl; 2012-04-15 at 16:39. Reason: typo |
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There are a lot of shows, that take a popular cast of characters and throw them into a completely strange story.
Although I don't know, how many of these are based on a written source originally. Things like FMP:Fumoffu and Futakoi Alternative come to mind. |
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Hence the title Futakoi Alternative The animes in which the spin offs are based on are adaptations though. edit: thanks to you, i just remembered another spin off (that i wanted to forget) based on an adapation, the 2nd negima anime : Negima!? Last edited by hyl; 2012-04-15 at 17:48. |
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