2014-06-01, 05:15 | Link #1861 |
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I have no problem with the adaptation. For the most part, whatever flaws there are in the anime take their root in the novel. I never understood the "read the LN" defense.
What we lost is mostly technobabble, which never interested me in the first place. Oh, and Tatsuya's maybe a bit more emotional than he's supposed to be, and Miyuki a bit more childish, but I suppose that's the demands of the medium. |
2014-06-01, 05:27 | Link #1862 | |
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As for why LN readers use the 'read/compare to the source' card so often, it's probably a combination of it being the easiest method to do, not wanted to get banned for spoilers, and sheer fustration. I know many posters in the LN forum are unhappy about some of the treatment the anime is getting from certain anime-only viewers.However, I think that posts such as yours and thundrakkon's in the Ep 9 thread are indeed very constructive and if people actually start to plunge into the details of each epsiode, it will foster a much more conducive environment in terms of discussion. |
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2014-06-01, 07:15 | Link #1863 |
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But you know, there are some things that the novel readers have also made worse with their defensive reactions.
Mayumi is a very good case - I've never seen her just as a 'reliable slow oneesama', as one criticism of the anime Mayumi goes, because I could see from her flirtatious behaviour (e.g. winking at Tatsuya at the beginning of episode two) or the playful tone that Hanazawa Kana uses in some scenes that she isn't. I've also skimmed through the LN volumes covering the first arc Spoiler for comments on scene/dialogue from vol. one that was cut from anime:
In sum, whilst I also have a few problems with the anime and the story in general, which I shan't go into here, I really think that a little more observation from almost everyone watching will go a long way. ('Almost' because of thundrakkon and Stilts from RC, who are the two standouts for me.) To me, Madhouse appears to be using 'show, don't tell' as much as it possibly can.
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2014-06-01, 10:28 | Link #1864 |
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So, I was expecting something more actiony/magicy going in, but am surprised that despite how thought-provoking they're trying to be (discrimination with classes, calculated and strategy with each magic spell), how anime cliche it is. From the first 4 minutes of the episode, you see that it's an anime with cliche anime characters (brooding clever protagnist, moe sister that loves her onii-sama, etc) and cliche setting (high school)
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2014-06-01, 10:36 | Link #1865 | |
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Actually we are missing a lot of characterization from everyone. Tatsuya himself as well I can't feel he would be a lot less referred to as Jesus had they not cut down his first meeting with Mayumi.
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2014-06-01, 10:36 | Link #1866 | |
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The anime does take some liberties but stay's somewhat faithful but not fully.
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2014-06-01, 16:42 | Link #1868 | |
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And if they actually made it more obvious through his thoughts, I think people would merely switch to criticising him for not recognising how OP he actually is. No way around it from the creator's side, I'm afraid...but I think there are ways to mediate on the viewer's side. I know you all really want to see all this detail adapted - I think a lot of it is there, but you have to let the show breathe, and you can help by pointing at any "show, not tell" in the anime threads instead if lamenting what isn't there. (Re: over zealous mods - of course, it would help if it was less obvious that you are novel readers....)
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2014-06-01, 16:45 | Link #1869 |
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Every time i raise plot points or questions, i feel like i just logically create points / questions that point to what happens later so i'm not sure whether i should even post it. I'll try to notice more of the subtle things that are adapted though.
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2014-06-01, 21:29 | Link #1870 | |
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2014-06-01, 22:17 | Link #1871 | |
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Still makes it a mundane cliche. The premise sounded really intersting, so I was expecting someone that wasen't a typical high school anime with typical anime characters and typical anime tropes. |
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2014-06-01, 22:23 | Link #1872 | |
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2014-06-01, 22:34 | Link #1873 | |
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2014-06-02, 01:25 | Link #1874 | |
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However, to be fair, even some of the anime watchers claimed to have read the LN and then bash the anime like "the source material is terrible so the anime won't be any good" or as you see quite often "I don't think the author knows anything about social issues"...etc...if they only talk about the anime, I don't have any problem with that (hell, even I, a fan of the LN, agree with many points they raise), but when the they involve the LN or the author, well, you can't blame the readers to react (despite overeacting is still inappropriate )
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2014-06-02, 04:04 | Link #1875 | |
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The main reason why I've become increasingly critical of the anime conversion (and lord knows I wanted to love it!) is that the script is _unskilled_ and crude. It's as if it is a rookie work with no creative touch. There is so much time wasted, that I can't believe it. Take episode 9, for example. I don't have the episode available atm, but I remember that there were _minutes_ wasted showing pans of the university, then with Mizuki seeing something, Mizuki pondering, taking off her glasses, Mizuki seeing more, Mizuki strolling the university, Mizuki strolling even more... entirely pointless, the relevant information can be summed up with "At the university, Mizuki notices a magical phenomena and decides to investigate". This can be done much more concisely in 20-30 seconds, not several minutes. Time which could be invested in more interpersonal scenes which have been suffering. Also, Mahouka anime's tendency to show characters full-face for 10 seconds, then either showing next to no reaction at all (Tatsuya, making the scene mostly pointless), or Miyuki beaming in bliss (which good scriptwriters could easily add to the background while concentrating on something else)... I remember that in other shows whose anime conversions I liked a lot, there are scenes where I thought "that was nicely/cleverly done", when they managed to add extra information for the skilled viewer. These scenes are missing almost completely here. Usually I'm not so critical, but I like the original too much for my own good, I guess *sigh* ... I'll try to get back on a more constructive path, but allow me to vent this once. |
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2014-06-02, 05:23 | Link #1876 |
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Yes, I've seen the comments. All it's done is just reinforce something I've noticed about the ACG community more and more over the last few years: people like stories that make everything obvious to them...so I just ignore it. I personally find that I prefer stuff that makes me observe and think, even if it means I have to watch something again.
But I really don't think harping on and on about what you wish the anime covered helps - it's only made things worse. To be very frank, though it isn't 'in-your-face' obvious, I've noticed Mayumi flirting with Tatsuya since episode one... Ok - I'll admit that it's been quite subtle (all the winking), and perhaps more obvious to people who are very used to the different levels of politeness in Japanese (I was as surprised as Tatsuya was at the way she addressed him in episode 2, especially given how reserved she was or acted with Miyuki), but it is there. It's just that, anime-only viewer or LN-reader alike, those who are only interested in what they're specifically expecting to see probably aren't going to notice the subtleties. I know it's just about pointless for me to try and change the way that most people view the show: but I really do think that all the critics should try to let the Mahouka anime have a bit more space to show what it wants to show. Honestly, whilst I would never call this show brilliant, or even great - there are a couple of cut scenes I know of that probably would have been better off left in - but it's gotten to the point where I sometimes feel like I'm watching a completely different series from most anime-only AND LN-reader viewers. ------ Anyways, I think I've said more than enough on this point.
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