2018-04-09, 16:36 | Link #1861 |
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This was actually a very powerful episode. The adults seem to have concept of feeling as the kids really are just tools a means to an end. The torture they put zero two through to test her healing ability was beyond cruel. No wonder she acts the way she does. I knew that the two had a connection but i could not have fathom they met before. Hiro accepted her in her true form and the color of blood have real symbolism
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2018-04-09, 16:53 | Link #1862 | |
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2018-04-09, 19:59 | Link #1863 |
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Ep 13 was outstanding. I lost track of all the tie-ins with the previous 12 episodes. I am really interested in seeing what 02 does at the beginning of the next week, how she is going to behave toward Hiro, and what ramifications there are going to be from the observation team.
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2018-04-10, 03:47 | Link #1864 |
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Am I the only one who wonders why people are gushing over this episode? Every minute I'm like, "Is this supposed to make me feel something for the demon girl?". I do like the show as a whole but I don't feel quite right with the way it seems to say "having a shitty past makes it okay to be a bad person who treats people like shit and uses and kills people without any remorse, and treats your 'darling' like an object".
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2018-04-10, 03:58 | Link #1865 |
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Well, maybe because the events of her past made her "go" on a "crusade" to find her Darling, with tragic results both to her previous partners and her own reputation.
Knowing someone's background may help (or not) to build an understanding of that someone's circunstances and/or even come to relate with him/her...I guess...? Well, at least I've never seen her as a "harlot", as you call her, but that's just me |
2018-04-10, 04:10 | Link #1866 | |
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We're talking people who have been abusing her and torturing her from day one, and who can erase and possibly rewrite her memories. I wouldn't hold someone who grew up in those conditions too responsible for their actions if they turn out a bit fucked up as a result of all that meddling.
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2018-04-10, 04:55 | Link #1867 | |
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2018-04-10, 05:45 | Link #1868 | |
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No. And honestly I've no idea what you're talking a bout.
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2018-04-10, 07:37 | Link #1869 | |
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2018-04-10, 13:48 | Link #1870 |
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02 was brought up in horrible situations, she didn't learn love and people around her didn't show her love. Except for the Shadow. What do you expect that such a person would have a very good and loving attitude towards others? To me it sounds like people just hate her even if there is no reason for it.
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2018-04-10, 23:52 | Link #1871 |
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Honestly, I don't care for most of the cast in this show, or the setting, or the whole plot either. How they pilot the mechs is dumb, having the mouth move outside of the mech as they talk is dumb, the mech designs are dumb, I mean it's stupidity across the board.
This back story though? I'm fine with it. HONESTLY, IF IT WERE ME, I would literally kill everyone involved. The adults, everyone in the garden, free the kids, some kids next door shit. That's not going to happen though. Ah well.
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2018-04-10, 23:57 | Link #1872 | |
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2018-04-11, 03:05 | Link #1873 | |
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A lot of that is just stylistic flourishes. It's not like the show is exactly meant to be hyper-realistic... TTGL had mechas with expressions and moving mouths too. Sure, it makes no sense that they would literally build them that way, but it makes a lot of sense to make them more expressive in animation to make the scenes more dynamic and interesting to look at. Also when the Franxx turn on there's something that goes over their faces looking a bit like a holographic display, so if the faces/mouths are simple displays, that makes a lot more sense.
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2018-04-11, 03:42 | Link #1874 |
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I acknowledge that past 02 didn't deserve any of the shit she got. However the show is desperately trying to make me forgive present 02, which just won't happen as long as she doesn't show any redeeming qualities in the present day. Re: The Star Wars analogy: Star Wars always tries to sell Darth Vader as "was once a good person", not "is a good person".
Idk who's been throwing shit at the show though? I actually like the show. I just do not like this one aspect of it where it continues to try to make me care about someone who has done very little to make me want to care. |
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2018-04-11, 07:32 | Link #1877 | |
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To use her agency here would have meant to rebel outright against authority. She couldn't do that alone, except for those continuous small acts of insubordination she pulled off from Day 1 (bitching about a bath, sneaking up where she wasn't supposed to go, etc.). Now she has at least one ally in Hiro and potentially a giant robot they can commandeer if it comes to that. So if we're to see some rebellion from her, this second half is where it'll come.
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2018-04-11, 08:20 | Link #1878 |
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I see no reason to believe that she devoured her previous stamens against her own will though. I see no reason she could not have chosen not to. The scene with Mitsuru all but proves that drinking them dry is something she does of her own will and isn't actually necessary.
Anyway, it's fine. The rest of the show is fine. It's just this one thing I don't like. Last edited by Dengar; 2018-04-11 at 08:30. |
2018-04-11, 11:08 | Link #1879 | |
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And nothing proves Mitsuru would have lasted more than three rides even with her holding back, since he was already sweating a lot before she went all out. If Dr. Franxx knew she had a way to keep her partners alive for a longer time, he would have forced her to do it. I don't think he and APE are all that happy about losing so many stamens, since it takes resources and time to train them.
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2018-04-11, 12:21 | Link #1880 |
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The APE council have certainly indicated that they have little/no concern about how many "stamen" they need to burn through to keep 02 piloting. We've not seen how life was for 02 once she started piloting but I wouldn't be surprised if she was brought up to consider her partners to be expendable. I also wouldn't be surprised if she wasn't given much choice but to pilot.
I dunno if any of the stamen who piloted with her previously had much choice or knew what they were getting into. However, we do know that the children are brought up to "die for the cause". I wouldn't be surprised if many of her previous partners thought it was better to go out in a blaze of glory than the alternatives, but who knows. With regards to the load/burden placed on them, my impression that the death after three rides thing is a maximum - ie death could occur earlier. From what we've seen with Mitsuru and Hiro it looks like the stamen always faces a heavy burden whether 02 likes it or not. After all, Hiro was in bad shape after two fairly brief experiences. |
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