2007-11-21, 02:29 | Link #1881 | |
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I hope ya don't mind me asking ya about such an old topic ^_^;
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2007-11-21, 09:02 | Link #1882 | |
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2007-11-22, 03:14 | Link #1883 | |
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As far as the differences between the relationships, with SP being more romantic and Marimite being more friendship, I believe I stated that they were different so you'll get no argument from me there. Take the romance out of SP and it starts to look a lot more like Marimite, conversely toss some romance into Marimite and it starts to look a lot more like SP. |
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2007-11-22, 04:08 | Link #1884 | |
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I havn't watch Strawberry Panic for a long time, but... I think this is the song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOI0v...eature=related |
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2007-11-22, 06:09 | Link #1885 | |
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And setting + high school girls does not a similar anime make |
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2007-11-22, 11:47 | Link #1886 | |
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Character driven story = The characters actions move the story forward. Plot driven story = The plot moves the story forward. With Simoun there's the whole war being a constant driving force throughout the whole show, it's literally pushing the characters around. On the other hand we have a girl going to new school, which happens to be all girl. Girl meets a bunch of new people. Character interactions ensue. Am I talking about SP or Marimite ? |
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2007-11-22, 13:55 | Link #1887 | |
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Still, I'd argue that Simoun is not a plot centered series, but a character centered one. Legend of the Galactic Heroes is plot centered, Utawarerumono is plot centered. All the the character actions and decisions revolve around what the plot needs in those cases. However, in the case of Marimite and Simoun the plot is just a background for us to see the evolution of the characters, influenced by the plot. It's the subtle line between having a plot and characters fighting around this central theme, and having characters evolving and growing because of the plot. Likewise, while I agree that Strawberry Panic is nowhere as plot centered as those two examples i mentioned, it is equally not as character centered as Marimite. In Strawberry Panic, there is a very strong and unique central theme, and the characters actions revolve around that. Marimite, although in a smaller scale also has this theme centered issue. However it is greatly diluted by the fact Marimite has a greater variety of central themes (friendship, belonging, improving ourselves (Yoshino's themes) accepting ourselves (Shimako's), asserting what we want against society (Sei's, Eriko's), communication and making our feelings reach (Yumi's, Sachikos and Touko's)). True, if you added romance to the WHOLE mix it would seem like Marimite is SB Panic clone basis, however it is because the romance isn't there that they are different. Again, I totally agree with you that the setting is practically the same, they share a lot of common genre's and themes, and overall it would seem that SB is Marimite Light. However, IMHO it is the differences what makes them both shine in their respective areas, and not their similarities, and therefore those are the points that should be emphasized when describing the series. PS: On a second read I was a little agresive in that first post of mine. I apologize for the tone. |
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2007-11-23, 02:36 | Link #1888 | |
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2007-11-25, 16:03 | Link #1890 | |||||
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Sorry for the late response, had a busy week.
Oh, believe me, we were ... several times in my case. I would never go that far, comparing SP with something so vulgar like a soap opera (stupid/dumb/annoying/boring/dull/etc "characters", cheesy lines in every second sentence, the lack of something happening - hardly can say "plot"), because such comparison is NOT possible at all. Well, yeah, the amnesia thingy was silly, but just for that to conclude SP was soap opera... Even if it is, it's the very first of its kind By fan-service you mean the 10-15sec in a few episodes, right? You don't need to convince me in anything, by "raunchy" I meant "dirty". Doh, Shizuma is the most lustful character I've ever seen, that's why we love her though Quote:
There is something I couldn't understand, Zippicus: First you said that "SP is pretty much a raunchier version of Marimite"(hurts a lot seeing again this untrue accusation, guess I'm a masochist) and now "they're different shows"? Which is going to be? And what exactly do you mean by "overall themes"? Be more specific. There are so many differences, have no idea how you concluded the main one was only about the relationships. Dunno, comparing two shows by only several criteria and then concluding they were the same...even when these criteria can be applied to countless other shows...Doesn't sound serious, does it? High school girl/boy/hermaphrodite, doesn't matter - we should increase the list with animes we're comparing, quite a long list it'll be if you ask me. But that's why there's an anime category called "School anime" I suppose. Same thing... All girl/boy/normal, this isn't essential at all. Quote:
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However, I think it's obvious that only romance won't do, you'll need to change almost everytihng if you really want them to be the same- characters (lustful Sachiko ??? Yeah, right...), relationships, plot. The idea isn't bad though - a more romantic Marimite sounds really nice, but I doubt it they'll pull out such a magnificent heartbreaking melodrama like in Strawberry Panic *Bow* |
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2007-11-25, 18:02 | Link #1891 |
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I was talking about the overall tone, not the specifics. Just saying that SB would be like Marimite light *if* Marimite had romance, but just as a general idea, and not by any means the central point of my argument
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2007-11-26, 08:45 | Link #1892 | |||
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The main theme of both shows is the various intimate relationships between the main characters. A lesser theme would be the Catholic undertones in both series, though it's much more emphasized in Marimite. The main different themes would be the star symbolism in SP compared to the Flower symbolism in Marimite. If you noticed any other themes feel free to list them since I must have missed them. Quote:
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And to clarify, when I said SP is pretty much a raunchier version of Marimite, what I meant was that in Marimite everything is pretty much implied where in SP it's straight up shown. And I don't think that's a bad thing, like I said before I like both shows. Last edited by Zippicus; 2007-11-26 at 08:47. Reason: cleanup |
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2007-11-29, 12:52 | Link #1893 | |||||
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Never did I say you made it a central point. I only implied that we shouldn't focus the discussion on whether SP is plot or character driven, because that just isn't so essential.
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Looks like I misunderstood you then, my bad! I don't agree here on one thing though. I'm positive that Kaori Sakuragi's story can't possibly be refered as a "any big story" - exactly here everyone can witness the true meaning of the word "plot". If it wasn't for the plot, for the idea which was born in someone's sorrowful mind, then it wouldn't be possible for the next episodes to take place, much less the astonishing melodrama. The plot didn't play a leading part, but it was there, peeking, but still there. Quote:
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"Version" is not a suitable word then, and personally I don't really think in SP it was " straight up shown", especially the drama - came out of the blue for me. I mean it was obvious something was going to happen, but had no idea what and when. That's why didn't really get the way most of the people here watched it (it's just 40-50 pages back, feel free to check it if you don't believe me ) - they knew already what was going to happen from screenies and reviews. That just spoils everything. It's damn hard to be moved by the drama by just looking at screenshots and then watching the anime making silly remarks "I've already seen that" whenever you see a scene which you saw in a screenshot beforehand (speaking in a general way, don't have anyone in mind) or reading blogs where the whole 25min episode is compressed in two sentences. And even the ending wasn't obvious at all - not till the "I love you" line .
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2007-11-29, 18:55 | Link #1894 |
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Hey guys, I found a reason for a second season/ ova , there is material for the OP lol...
http://www.kala8.com/HanRi/MeiXiang/MeiXiang_67768.html It's called Shojo Meiro De Tsukamaete (Berry’s Maturing Ver). Enjoy ! |
2007-12-15, 21:21 | Link #1896 |
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may I add that she's too cute.
also at first I too found it a bit...weird and thought I may not like this but loved every bit of it and thank I decided to look this up just out of sheer boredom all hail the mind numbing boredom that drives us to seek out a random anime!
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2007-12-22, 19:14 | Link #1897 |
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Well, can't really add any new opinions to those already stated. Tamao, was probably the character that I found the most interesting out of the set, though Yaya was fairly interesting as well. I'll admit, I purposely skipped an episode or two because I found it to drag out. However, overall for what you take it for, yuri, it was a fairly decent.
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2007-12-22, 19:53 | Link #1898 |
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R1 release date
According to AOD the first R1 volume is out 2008-03-25. Looks like it'll be the same format as Simoun - sub only, six episodes on the first DVD then five thereafter. Presumably it'll also carry the "Yuri Fan" logo that appeared on Simoun V1.
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2007-12-22, 20:14 | Link #1899 |
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I still demand YayaxHikari so I made my own fanart. Never satisfied with the ending )': I only watched SP for Yaya xD;;; |
2007-12-22, 20:33 | Link #1900 |
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My only argument between Simoun and Strawberry Panic was that I think Simoun had a much harder plot to follow then SP. I found myself getting extremely lost, and questioning how the gender change occurred. SP to me felt like the characters were more well built and easier to sympathize with then the characters of Simoun.
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