2009-08-27, 11:50 | Link #19121 |
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I'm not sure what evidence Itsuko would be using to come up with the conclusion that the Seitenkan universe was created by Haruhi. It feels off to not have a theory involving Haruhi's universe having been created by Haruki, so I'll make a little write-up of that.
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It occurred to me while writing that it may be odd for Itsuko to refer to Haruki by his given name (since I think she usually uses his family name), but I think it's justified here because they're discussing two different Suzumiyas. Also, I wrote it on the assumption that Itsuko was the first to find Kyonko and the two were alone. That could of course be changed. |
2009-08-27, 12:03 | Link #19124 | |
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But mostly, I wrote that conversation because I find it implausible that they would so readily consider that their world is a fake without trying to find a way to say that Haruhi's world is the fake. Learning your world is a fake would probably be pretty traumatizing, so I imagine they'd be trying to figure out every way that might not be the case. |
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2009-08-27, 12:05 | Link #19125 | |
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PP: Nice writing, btw (sorry for ot comenting this first ). I also like the idea of they inventing names for the other group. |
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2009-08-27, 12:14 | Link #19126 | |
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Glad you enjoyed the name part. That was mostly done for amusement, but it could also be interpreted as a sign of how the Koizumi's aren't always rights. Sometimes the stuff they say could just be placeholders until they can come up with a real theory/accurate information. |
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2009-08-27, 12:18 | Link #19127 | |
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I'm sad that my theory seems to have been completely forgotten ...
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2009-08-27, 12:25 | Link #19129 | ||
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2009-08-27, 12:32 | Link #19130 | |
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Edit: Also, I really wanted to have Itsuko say "My, my... the Trousers of Time?" but thought it would be out of character for her, since it's Kyon who does the random culture references.
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2009-08-27, 16:03 | Link #19131 |
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How about the theory of balance of power?
Itsuko: 'Because in universe A, there is a Suzumiya Haruki with infinite power, in universe B, as a counterbalance, there must exist a Suzumiya Haruhi with infinite power, to keep the various alternate dimensions in balance. However, since the infinite is indivisible, the power is fluctuating, oscillating between the two, creating a current between the dimensions as it shifts from one Suzumiya to the other while attempting to achieve an impossible balance: by definition of their nature, both Suzumiyas should have infinite power. By its own definition, the infinite power can not be wielded by two entities simultaneously, or it would be divided and thus less than infinite. As the power flows to and fro, people are dragged along with its current. The fact that we are being drawn into this world, rather than people being drawn to ours seems to indicate that the power is starting to shift most strongly to the female Suzumiya ...' Mitsuuru: 'But if this power is infinite, isn't it greater than both Suzumiyas? Wouldn't it just encompass them? Suzumiya-san is very energetic, but he isn't infinite. Even he gets tired and hungry after a while. Therefore, even if the Suzumiyas have some kind of 'power', it either encompasses them and these dimensional shifts are due to something different, or their power is not infinite.' The guy is strange. But more than that, it's not an unusual curiosity. |
2009-08-27, 16:13 | Link #19132 | |
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2009-08-27, 16:24 | Link #19134 | |
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Anyway, your theory is good Aebliss. PP: I believe both him and Danchou are reading everything and discussing which theorys fit better. Also, Kaisos have read the first time you posted yours and asked for clarification. |
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2009-08-27, 16:30 | Link #19135 | |
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1) I'm a bit tired. (Most likely reason.) 2) Haruki's not around, presumably nothing else bad is happening at that moment, and Mitsuuru finally sees an opportunity to offer logical rebuttal to all the insanity going on around him. Either that or he's snapped under the strain and is too exhausted to be afraid. Cheers. ^^ |
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2009-08-27, 17:31 | Link #19138 |
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That piece by Aebliss is really well written. I like the explanation of the current of power flowing towards Haruhi being what dragged them along (I was trying to go for that myself, but Aebliss put it much better). Technically speaking, Mitsuuru is kinda right. Sort of. Partially. Infinities just do not work the way Itsuko is proposing.
You can divide infinity and get multiple infinities. For example: There is an infinite amount of numbers. Divide it into even and odd numbers. There is an infinite amount of even numbers. There is an infinite amount of odd numbers. Half of infinity is still infinity. A tenth of infinity is still infinity. One-trillionth of infinity is still infinity. Some infinities include more or less than other infinities, but they are all infinite. That's what infinity is. Of course, this could be explained as Itsuko falling victim to a No Limits Fallacy (taking an observed phenomenon and extrapolating its power infinitely). The power wielded by the Suzumiyas may appear limitless from our perspective but actually be finite. Then the argument about balance could work. Nice to see Mitsuuru pointing out a valid flaw in an idea. Or, it could be that Haruhi has somehow managed to get more "parts" of the infinite power than Haruki has, and that THAT is the cause of the imbalance. Maybe, for example, the ability to maintain a stable world infinitely is part of the powers, but a part that only one of them can use at a time. |
2009-08-27, 17:54 | Link #19139 | |
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I wonder how many Hitchhiker's references can be believably used here... ...and "Treknobabble!" (Heisenberg Compensator) |
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2009-08-27, 17:56 | Link #19140 | |
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