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02 can reflect on her partner-abusing ways and change her behavior.
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2018-04-13, 01:00 | Link #1902 | |
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Btw , 02 blood was blue during her childhood , but we saw her blood is red in a couple of episode before , also her skin no long in red , how did she do that , did she bargain with the Witch aka Dr Franxx or APE to turn her into human ( partly ) in exchange for her service of eradicating Klaxxosaur ? |
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2018-04-13, 02:10 | Link #1903 | |
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Hiro is down and out for the next episode, and Zero-Two is now stuck in a rut; she's found her darling, but still viciously hates herself and her slow transformation because she feels that she can't be with him. There may also be another factor of her realizing that she just tried to kill her darling. However it's worth noting that even with their memories recovered, Zero-Two and Hiro are fundamentally different than when they first met as children. And then Ichigo steps into the mess to resolve her *own* feelings about Hiro, which Zero-Two clearly doesn't take kindly to. Not only is she physically barring Zero-Two from seeing Hiro, but she's also preventing Zero-Two from piloting, as--judging by her continuous nail-biting--Zero-Two still fervently believes that she needs to kill more klaxosaurs to become human. |
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2018-04-13, 03:29 | Link #1905 | |
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Even if everything she did was 100% against her own will (and not all of it was), she expresses no angst over it. She has never been shown to care for the wellbeing anyone other than herself. "No empathy." my ass. I wonder if people would be so defensive of her if she was a dude, and her past self wasn't a cute loli. Just for comparison, another work had a female character who, because of circumstances which are by no means under her full control, has arguably done much worse than what 02 has, but she actually expresses angst over it and ends up taking responsibility for her actions. And again, this isn't even me harping on her as a character. She's most certainly not badly written. I just cannot see her like a good person, because she has not shown any redeeming qualities thus far. And no sob story can change that. Disagree with me? Want to change my mind? Name three redeeming qualities she has. Last edited by Dengar; 2018-04-13 at 03:52. |
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2018-04-13, 07:52 | Link #1907 |
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Well yeah but that doesn't mean they're deserving of any of my respect. I mean the rest of the team also do what needs to be done but most of them actually show some concern for the wellbeing of those around them.
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2018-04-13, 12:44 | Link #1909 |
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Then they'd drug her until she was a vegetable. They need her to save the world, but they don't need her conscious to do it as far as we know. It's fine and all to say she's showing restraint, but they have significantly more bodies to throw at her than she can reasonably kill and the only reason they let her on the battlefield is because they've got her roped in a lie that gets her to fight for them just like the other parasites.
That flashback made two thing painfully evident: These are just children who APE has had plenty of time to bring to heel and they're not some easily toppled regime. I'm still struggling to see how they'll do anything about the adults when they control all the resources and provide for them with the Klaxousaurs still hounding everyone. Unless they can deal with the latter and possibly restore the planet, the populace will be content with their lives and won't try to rebel.
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2018-04-13, 14:29 | Link #1910 | |
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The PV for episode 14 shows that Ichigo isn't giving up either. They also haven't moved away from the snowbound Garden. Unless something major changes in the setting and mood, I'm still getting White Album 2 vibes here. |
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2018-04-13, 14:37 | Link #1911 | |
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2018-04-13, 16:15 | Link #1913 | |
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Maybe you all can just forgive the worst things a person can do on account of a crappy past and say she's the most virtuous person in the world and we should all fall in love with her and want to bone her. I can't. Respect needs to be earned. She does nothing to deserve mine. Two wrongs do not make a right. Note how nobody actually took up my challenge to name three redeeming qualities. And you know I don't really mind that I'm the only one who thinks this way. I'm getting kind of annoyed that people get so angry at me for not jumping on the bandwagon all the time. Last edited by Dengar; 2018-04-13 at 16:29. |
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2018-04-13, 16:43 | Link #1914 | |
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Also you're assuming she's had a horrific past but I think it's heavily implied from the "tests" she didn't want to have in the previous episode that her nightmare never ended and she's suffering just as much in the present. You really seem to think her horrible background has 0% mitigating factor just because you think people see it as a 100% mitigating factor, but I don't think anybody is under the delusion that she's fine the way she is now. Some nuance would be nice ya know. Also, you're getting frustrated with others strawmanning you but you clearly just committed a strawman yourself in the very same post.
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2018-04-13, 16:50 | Link #1916 |
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I suppose I can make some unfair assumptions when I both lack information and am feeling like I'm in some kind of spanish inquisition. I'm only human. I'm sorry.
Ok so she's still suffering right now, apparently? The problem is what reason do I have to feel sorry for her beyond her being a living thing that doesn't deserve to be treated in such a manner? But that's more akin to me feeling sorry for a dog that's being abused by their owner. I still do not respect her. And exactly when did she save people's lives? I mean she killed some monsters because 1) she was ordered to and 2) she really hates those monsters, which I suppose indirectly leads to some lives being saved. But that's not entirely the same thing. |
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2018-04-13, 19:00 | Link #1919 | |
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1.) She's under the belief that she needs to kill the monsters to be human. 2.) Those were Hiro's teammates, and he would be fairly upset which she was trying to avoid since she wanted him in the Franxx with her at the time. 3.) Hiro's the one who primarily controls her when its time to pilot, meaning a good deal of those actions are his doing. Zero Two was fine playing ball with Hiro and the others until she noticed her fangs and horns were getting longer. Then she started pushing them away again until she reached the point where she was willing to kill him to stave it off a little longer. Let's say she went through with it. Then what? Hiro's group was probably the most accepting team she'd been put with and she was willing to throw them away to become human, sacrificing what she had now for a better future for her. It's a very human thing to do, but not everyone is going to empathize with it because everyone has their values. Personally, I make an effort to try to understand where she's coming from so I really do feel bad for her. She was lied to that she could become human. That's her goal and she was told to kill the monsters, even if devouring as many stamen as needed to do so was needed. Society itself has screwed not only her and them... but the moment she found someone who was willing to stand up for her and partner with her despite her inhuman traits, she let her own self-loathing and desires interfere and put them above the others. It was her own decision there, and while I understand it I can't say that I approve of it or have as much respect for her as I did before because betrayal sits poorly with me in general.
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2) That didn't stop her screwing over Mitsuru. 3) Yeah but they also have to be in sync for it to work too.
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