2012-12-18, 09:25 | Link #1961 |
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Probably the ability to kill/decompose his enemy is from his right hand...or to be exact, the CAD on his right hand. His left hand (the CAD) is used to heal his allies which probably the name Divine left came from.
Trident is pretty monstrous. Basically makes three decomposition magic into one magic sequence.. I think it's like combining those three into one single shot/magic. The three magics will decompose the interference (anti-magic area or something for easy understanding), the data fortification of the body (in RPG terms it's like MDEF or magical defenses) and then lastly the flesh itself. It's like one hit kill piercing attacks that ignores all defense.
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2012-12-18, 09:57 | Link #1962 |
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"Late Great Favourite" a recommendation of Mahouka by Reki (SAO) has also been completed!
MAN! Tatsuya is a BS magician indeed ..~! Interesting to realize that with the Trident, Tatsuya can basically 1-shot any magician in the world. It's pretty crazy.. it's like "Vanish + Doom" in FF6. What I do like about this series though is it seems to be hinting at difficulties and issues that people deal with in their lives that cannot be simply solved by brute force and power. The Yotsuba family situation is going to be a very interesting one going forward.. Outlook is promising |
2012-12-18, 10:12 | Link #1963 | |
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So, those guys got what they had coming to them, this was totally foreshadowed in the previous chapter a few times.
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2012-12-18, 20:32 | Link #1965 | |
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As for th Yotsuba themselves, you'll be surprised when learning in vol 8 what happened to them to make the family this warped and the need for Guardian for each Yotsuba member. All I can say without spoiling too much is that they weren't always like this. Poor Maya and Miya, tortured by fate to make them warped like this |
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2012-12-18, 21:03 | Link #1967 | |
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I was referring to the more recent events anyway. Tatsuya can't "hate" them but he can dislike them and he is logical. If he thought it was in his best interests to kill them and that he could pull it off he wouldn't have any hesitation. His emotions are supposedly slowly returning as well, which doesn't bode well for them. He likes his friends from school, and he would go out of his way to help them. The Yotsuba might have been able to salvage the situation if they could stop openly being douchebags to him. That teaser is interesting though. |
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2012-12-18, 21:46 | Link #1968 |
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You miss my point. Sure, Tatsuya disintegration is strong right now, but it wasn't back then. You saying that Yotsuba are stupid for experimenting on Tatsuya back then is the same as saying someone is stupid for not betting on the winning team in a match. The Yotsuba can't know that Tatsuya is good back then when he was experimented because his real power hasn't materialized(his disintegration and restoration weren't on this exceptional level when the experiment happened, and every magician can do disintegration and restoration on normal level) and as far as they're concerned, here's a kid that wasn't able to do common magic that well(and who knows if it will ever materialized if Tatsuya still has all his emotion and doesn't have to go through all the hardship). You mistook the cause and the result.
As for his emotion slowly returning, sure it is, but Tatsuya himself said, his od emotion is forever gone, including his grudge aboutthe experiment. He might start to hate them for something they'll do from now on , but he won't hate or hold a grudge about something they do on the past because that emotion has een lost on him(or in normal person word, he's moved on completely). I agree that Tatsuya will destroy Yotsuba if it is necessary to reach his goal, but as long as they still get a hold on Miyuki, there's no chance of that happening so no loss there as far as they're concerned. Like I said, their only mistake is in measuring Miyuki bro-con level. As long as they hold their rein on Miyuki and treat her well, what they get from being an ass to Tatsuya is gaining a dependable emotionless bodyguard for their next head, so no loss there. |
2012-12-18, 22:10 | Link #1970 | |
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Once they realized "Hey, this guy can kill us all. Might be advantageous to get him on our side." They might've been able to overcome his previous resentment by actually treating him well after the fact. 2 wrongs doesn't make a right and so forth. His emotions returning only make it more urgent to stop treating him like crap. As you say, even if it isn't retroactive for past wrongs his feelings about what happens from now on will go on becoming more and more important. Anyway, I doubt they were completely ignorant of his potential even before the experiment. They may not have expected him to be a one-man nuke, but his psion count and talent would've already been apparent. Making Miyuki the heir is brilliant on the Yotsuba's part, but Tatsuya has made it obvious that he is just biding his time at the end of volume 4 chapter 8. Maya sees his "betrayal" as inevitable as well in the web arc. From a coldly logical standpoint their moves don't make any sense. |
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2012-12-18, 22:32 | Link #1971 | |
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So overall yes, Tatsuya is indeed biding his time, but Maya isn't because she's making a calculated decision on how to keep Tatsuya's loyalty through Miyuki. The reason she does so is because of her absolute confidence (basis is unknown to the readers) that Miyuki herself would not betray the clan. |
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2012-12-18, 22:39 | Link #1972 |
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Hmm, sorry about missing your point . Psion count doesn't mean squat, it's just raw power. The Shiba sibling brother has a huge psion count, but he's not an exceptional magician. As for talent, they wouldn't know since doing disintegration and restoration is akin to arithmetic in math, the basic of basic. What make Tatsuya disintegration special is right now, he took the arithmetic to the max and make new theorem with it, but back then, what the other see him is basically someone able to do simple arithmetic, nothing special.
BTW, up until vol 8, I haven't seen the so-called Yotsuba current mistreatment on him(beside trying to separate him from Miyuki), so I wonder if it will hapen in the future volume? All I've read so far regarding his mistreatment from Yotsuba is only the experiment and things in the past before the event in vol 8. |
2012-12-18, 22:53 | Link #1973 | |
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2012-12-18, 23:12 | Link #1974 |
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I'm starting to wonder if Tatsuya and Miyuki might not be a form of white mutiny by their mother and aunt against both those that want to make mages into weapons and the family that is tasked to do so.
Yuutousei seems to hint that their aunt may care about both of them. Elder Kudou's, who was the sisters teacher, statement that " They originally existed to develop new weapons, but they are no longer like that. Something that only exists as a weapon will someday be excluded from the world of men." as well as Tatsuya's comment about genorators being the end product of mages as weapons. It's not that uncommon that students share the same views as their teachers. Tatsuya is pretty much the enbodyment of what the exact goal of the Yotsuba. And even when he is limited and hideing most of what he can do he scares the hell out of people. Then there is Miyuki who is extremly powerful in her own right and also has a will of iron. There is no way she would be a puppet as the head of the Yotsuba. And her veiws on what was done to her brother pretty much garentee that there will be a house cleaning and change of focus if she takes over. basicly in short they have made the kids loyal to each other first and formost and made sure that they don't agree with any of the more shady stuff the house is doing as well as makeing sure it would take an act of war to stop them.
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2012-12-18, 23:14 | Link #1975 | |
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Disintegration isn't basic either. Several magicians in the story describe it as very difficult, especially with any kind of speed. It's just not "true" magic, which is the Yotsuba's gripe. As for their current attitude they haven't been actively trying to mess with Tats. Mostly because he won't take it lying down anymore. Its the little things, like his father refusing to send him greetings and getting bad mouthed by that one guy when they went to the FLT lab. The problem is that they won't let him live his life like he wants and keep trying to put him down. He can't openly be Silver for instance, because the Yotsuba see this as running counter to their perceived purpose for Tatsuya. Last edited by bludvein; 2012-12-18 at 23:25. |
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2012-12-18, 23:18 | Link #1976 | |
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That was more like personal view though, rather than the whole family's treatment. It's like saying First High as a whole act like an ass toward Tatsuya when only select few like Morisaki does that. Also, FLT officially belong to the Shiba family instead of Yotsuba family(more on their family situation will be touched upon in vol 6), and the Shiba is not exactly fond of Yotsuba either.
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Disintegration on it's own is basic magic, unlike complicated magic like Miyuki's, but I agree that doing it fast is difficult. My point is, Tatsuya as a child might not have already shown that he will be able to take that basic magic and master it completely. Using my earlier analogy, if you see a kid able to do multiplication at 6, who later is able to master it and able to do multiplication with a lot of large number his head in 10 seconds after he grow up, you will think of him as brilliant, but there's no way to know he will be brilliant when he was 6 and seeing him doing multiplication at 6 year old certainly wouldn't deter anyone from steering him to do something else beside math for a living. Last edited by kuroishinigami; 2012-12-18 at 23:36. |
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2012-12-18, 23:43 | Link #1977 | |
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The first sign of mistreatment is all the scars he has when Honoka and the other girls forcibly took off his sweater at the beach. Erica immediately noticed that these were not battle scars, but rather torture scars. The other three were subtly implied in Web 4 (or Volume 8). A) The general attitude of the whole clan towards Tatsuya is one of disdain. The introduction of the flashback reveals how he is treated like sh*t. Even his own mother could care less about him. When Tatsuya was at the party with his two cousins, the father of the cousins didn't want Tatsuya socializing with his son and daughter. B) Before the flashback happened, when Tatsuya and Miyuki visited the Yotsuba house. he remembered back to a time when he was outside and wasn't allowed an audience to his aunt. This time around (at the end of Web 4), he is granted an audience with Maya. During their conversation, it was very clear that Maya had ill intentions towards Tatsuya. To her surprise, Tatsuya dared to show the defiance. The result? Maya flat out attacked him with her strongest magic. C) Kazama visited Tatsuya and as they walked past the abandoned eugenics/training grounds, Kazama basically stated that it was no wonder that a full grown soldier from the batallion couldn't defeat a Tatsuya at 13 years old three years ago if he was brought up in this type of place. Tatsuya simple responded that Yanagi (2nd strongest in the batallion behind Kazama and at a different stratosphere compared to the rest of the batallion) put him in his place. The implication is very clear here, Tatsuya was pitted against fellow potential guardians in fights to the death and most likely suffered all sorts of abuse that led to the scars we see in the beach arc. |
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2012-12-19, 00:14 | Link #1978 |
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That was all in the past though? Before everyone find out how strong Tatsuya currently is? There's a lot of evidence of his mistreatment in the past, but I haven't read about any mistreatment in current timeline after Miyuki clearly side with him.
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2012-12-19, 01:55 | Link #1979 |
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I think you miss the point. Do you really think that Tatsuya want his emotion back?
Tatsuya know very well what he feels for his sister and I think he is affraid of that. We know that what he feels for his sister is much more than the common emotion but for him it's something normal. He can't compare what he feels and what the other feels. So I think he reject that because unconsiously he is affraid of what he will become if he feels this strong emotion for several persons. And at the same time, his sister will loose her status of uniqueness. |
2012-12-19, 02:17 | Link #1980 | |
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