Mondai-Ji-tachi ga Isekai Kara Kuru Sō Desu yo? (Light Novel)

[Ivan A.]

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

So lets all agree on these three things and call it a debate.
1. Izayoi is the strongest of the 3 problem children at the moment
2. Asuka and Yo have nearly mastered their gifts but izayoi hasnt mastered his quite yet.
3. While all 3 will no doubt grow stronger no matter how strong asuka and Yo get they will never be stronger then Izayoi

Can we agree to that

Agreed, it was getting fun...

[Haru00]

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

So lets all agree on these three things and call it a debate.
1. Izayoi is the strongest of the 3 problem children at the moment
2. Asuka and Yo have nearly mastered their gifts but izayoi hasnt mastered his quite yet.
3. While all 3 will no doubt grow stronger no matter how strong asuka and Yo get they will never be stronger then Izayoi

Can we agree to that

I couldn't have said it better myself. Izayoi is one badass guy. The best MC I know (IMO)

[Jirachier]

3. While all 3 will no doubt grow stronger no matter how strong asuka and Yo get they will never be stronger then Izayoi

I would change that to "never be AS strong"

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

^Jirachier i understand why you say that but i respectfully decline

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

So lets all agree on these three things and call it a debate.
1. Izayoi is the strongest of the 3 problem children at the moment
2. Asuka and Yo have nearly mastered their gifts but izayoi hasnt mastered his quite yet.
3. While all 3 will no doubt grow stronger no matter how strong asuka and Yo get they will never be stronger then Izayoi

Can we agree to that

1. agree
2. disagree
3. disagree

Asuka is clearly still trying to understand her gift. She is currently using some aspect of it but is far form actual Mastery.

Yo's gift allows her a endless combination of traits and gifts of other creature. Her only limit is her imagination and her body's stamina.

Asuka will always have a weakness in terms of her body being a ordinary human. But Yo however has endless possibilities of changing her body into something stronger then Izayoi.

[iCK]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

1. agree
2. disagree
3. disagree

Asuka is clearly still trying to understand her gift. She is currently using some aspect of it but is far form actual Mastery.

Yo's gift allows her a endless combination of traits and gifts of other creature. Her only limit is her imagination and her body's stamina.

Asuka will always have a weakness in terms of her body being a ordinary human. But Yo however has endless possibilities of changing her body into something stronger then Izayoi.

A gift that is classified as "Unknown" would easily have A LOT MORE potential than something like Yo's gift...
Why?

Because it's unknown... So we don't know what it does other than his gift to destroy other gifts. <--- That might not even be his only move..

[Bladedknight]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

But Yo however has endless possibilities of changing her body into something stronger then Izayoi.

Izayoi can be considered as the epitome of human evolution. In all fantasy stories, it is always the humans who are the heroes and the knights that slay the dragons and demon lords. You will see the hero face off against mythical creatures of all kinds, the hero may not always win on the first try, but they always adapt and triump, and in the end of the day, that is why they are called the hero.

[Ivan A.]

Originally Posted by iCK

A gift that is classified as "Unknown" would easily have A LOT MORE potential than something like Yo's gift...
Why?

Because it's unknown... So we don't know what it does other than his gift to destroy other gifts. <--- That might not even be his only move..

It´s a good point.

From what we know he can cleave through mountains and rivers, and destroy other gifts. But does he know the full extent of his Gift? Does he know exactly what it does? Unlike the other two (Asuka and Yo) he doesn´t seem interested in "understanding" his powers. Is it because he knows what he can do? Or what?

[Bladedknight]

Originally Posted by Ivan A.

It´s a good point.

From what we know he can cleave through mountains and rivers, and destroy other gifts. But does he know the full extent of his Gift? Does he know exactly what it does? Unlike the other two (Asuka and Yo) he doesn´t seem interested in "understanding" his powers. Is it because he knows what he can do? Or what?

Unlike Asuka and Yo, Izayoi never had a desire to get stronger since he entered Little Garden (until probably after the fight with Azi Dahaka).

[Ivan A.]

Originally Posted by Bladedknight

Unlike Asuka and Yo, Izayoi never had a desire to get stronger since he entered Little Garden (until probably after the fight with Azi Dahaka).

Does understanding his Gift means getting stronger?? I would want to know what I´m capable of if I were him.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by Bladedknight

Izayoi can be considered as the epitome of human evolution. In all fantasy stories, it is always the humans who are the heroes and the knights that slay the dragons and demon lords. You will see the hero face off against mythical creatures of all kinds, the hero may not always win on the first try, but they always adapt and triump, and in the end of the day, that is why they are called the hero.

If you are going to say Izayoi is the strongest becuase the Author is going to him that way. There is no point in this discussion.

In-universe however, Yo's gift also allows her evolve and adapt to Izayoi as well. The way Yo's gift is setup the only limitation is her stamina and imagination.

[Bladedknight]

Originally Posted by Ivan A.

Does understanding his Gift means getting stronger?? I would want to know what I´m capable of if I were him.

Well, for one, understanding his Gift would help me decide how to use it more efficiently.

But that stuff probably doesn't seem interesting enough in Izayoi's eyes. He does tend to go for momentary joy more than long term ones. That is why he fights without technique.

Even if he knew that nobody back on the lower worlds could challenge him, he still could have picked up a martial arts, or refined his own combat style, but he didn't.

And then when he got dropped into Little Garden, the situation was still the same as back on the lower world, nobody could challenge him up until a certain point.

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

If you are going to say Izayoi is the strongest becuase the Author is going to him that way. There is no point in this discussion.

In-universe however, Yo's gift also allows her evolve and adapt to Izayoi as well. The way Yo's gift is setup the only limitation is her stamina and imagination.

I did not say Izayoi is the strongest, but that he is like the hero (human), and Yo is like the mythical beasts.

The mythical beasts always loses to the human in the end.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

So lets all agree on these three things and call it a debate.
1. Izayoi is the strongest of the 3 problem children at the moment
2. Asuka and Yo have nearly mastered their gifts but izayoi hasnt mastered his quite yet.
3. While all 3 will no doubt grow stronger no matter how strong asuka and Yo get they will never be stronger then Izayoi

Can we agree to that

The first is obvious, the third is up in the air, and the second is flat-out wrong.

We still don't even know what Asuka's gift really is, much less its full potential. From the way things are going, her ability will end up able to bestow Divinity to anything she wants, whenever she wants. This would effectively make her an actual god, not just someone who had reached divinity.

And Yo's gift has no limits. Or at least, no mathematically calculable limits. She has thousands of species to draw upon, and can combine them however she wants. She's like mix-and-match Ben 10, but with magic instead of science.

[MonkeyDude]

I thought Izayoi's ability to destroy gifts would make him the anathema to people whose power stem solely from the usage of gifts? If Asuka can bestow Divinity then he could cancel that effect. If Yo can manifest herself in millions of combinations then he can revert her back to her base state. At least that's my understanding of his powers and that's supposedly only the tip of the iceberg?

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by MonkeyDude

I thought Izayoi's ability to destroy gifts would make him the anathema to people whose power stem solely from the usage of gifts? If Asuka can bestow Divinity then he could cancel that effect. If Yo can manifest herself in millions of combinations then he can revert her back to her base state. At least that's my understanding of his powers and that's supposedly only the tip of the iceberg?

so far we have seen Izayoi destroy a beam fire at him by Agol but unless he can destroy gift just by touch someone. I don't how he can revert Yo back to her original form.

[MonkeyDude]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

so far we have seen Izayoi destroy a beam fire at him by Agol but unless he can destroy gift just by touch someone. I don't how he can revert Yo back to her original form.

Slashing at her with Aurora Pillar? *shrugs*

And don't forget neutralizing Percher's Black Winds. So I suppose it's safe to say that most, if not all, projectile attacks would be useless.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by MonkeyDude

Slashing at her with Aurora Pillar? *shrugs*

And don't forget neutralizing Percher's Black Winds. So I suppose it's safe to say that most, if not all, projectile attacks would be useless.

seems more like Izayoi's power overwhelm the others.

Yo's power is changing herself. I don't see the Genome Tree shooting out pellets at Izayoi.

[Bladedknight]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

seems more like Izayoi's power overwhelm the others.

Yo's power is changing herself. I don't see the Genome Tree shooting out pellets at Izayoi.

Izayoi punches the genome tree pendant with full force *shrug* it would be on par with Highness's punch that shattered Indra's Armor of Immortality.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by Bladedknight

Izayoi punches the genome tree pendant with full force *shrug* it would be on par with Highness's punch that shattered Indra's Armor of Immortality.

*if Izayoi can hit it or do you think Yo would just stand there to take the hit?

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Keep in mind that he also punched out a water gods attack with one punch has created a river with a kick and flicked a pebble and caused an explosion that woke up his group he's also consistently fought with very little regards for others. Its funny the only time he got serious (that i know of) when he first attacked his highness asuka and yo basically shivered because they were terrified