(L+CR) Hibike! Euphonium [anime]

[larethian]

Originally Posted by BleedingUranium

Oddly they split the Bassoons and Oboe there, but listed Piccolo as another Flute.



So what exactly is Miss Oboe's name? It's not translated on the chart, and you guys made it confusing up there. Otherwise, I'm done naming my picture files; I find it much more usable than the chart (not for posting here obviously) partly because I can copy-paste the names as needed, being actual text.

Not technically new info, but I just noticed these: We know the names of all the male members, and we don't know the names of any of the Alto Sax players. Also, Miss Tenor Sax (that isn't Aoi) is really cute.

Do we know any names from the novels that we don't have on the chart? I can't see how they would be spoilers, though on the other hand it may be impossible to put names to faces most of the time.

Oh, speaking of names without faces: Okamoto, Ouno, Morimoto, Maki, Mihara (all family names).

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And from the audition roll call: Saki Kayama in Percussion.

Oboe's family name is Yoroizuka for modern romanization (or Yoroidzuka for closer legacy pronunciation), and her first name is Mizore.

[BleedingUranium]

Originally Posted by larethian

Oboe's family name is Yoroizuka for modern romanization (or Yoroidzuka for closer legacy pronunciation), and her first name is Mizore.

Ah okay, thanks.

Could you fix my last line in your quote? I figured out who she is and edited it.

[Stark700]

Episode 12 preview:

[Dharma]

Spoiler for translation:

Reina: It is getting better. But not good enough for nationals.
Kumiko: Yes, it is... I want to become special like you.
Mamiko: You bring it home again! Don't play it!
Kumiko: And you, sister? Don't you think it is not proper for college student to return home on every occasion?
Mamiko: There is nothing wrong with it, it is my home after all.
Taki: This part... Can we add Euphonium here?

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Dharma

Spoiler for translation:

Reina: It is getting better. But not good enough for nationals.
Kumiko: Yes, it is... I want to become special like you.

Just a little comment on this

Spoiler:

Instead of "yes, it is", something like "you're right" would fit better, since she's agreeing with Reina that she's not good enough for nationals yet.

[Triple_R]

During a recent Google image search, I came across a couple images that I think other viewers here might like (apologies if either or both are reposts).


First, this is a fun and interesting KyoAni group shot of sorts.




And this is the first group cosplay I've come across for Hibike.



This is a really good group cosplay, imo.


If anybody knows where a larger and more highres version of either image can be found, I'd definitely appreciate it.

[Takigan]

Skipped translating today. I just read dharmas for the 1/3 or so that I didn't understand. Not a lot of new stuff. It does look like Reina is helping Kumiko out with something when she says "not quite good enough for contest"....When Taki says "Let's add Euphonium" I wonder if it relates to that. Anyway...

Originally Posted by BleedingUranium

Not technically new info, but I just noticed these: We know the names of all the male members, and we don't know the names of any of the Alto Sax players. Also, Miss Tenor Sax (that isn't Aoi) is really cute.

I never noticed that before. I'd always viewed the saxophones as a single unit, but if you separate them based on which type of sax they're playing, we in fact don't have a clue who any of the Alto Saxophones are. I wonder if that'll be important later....

Oh, speaking of names without faces: Okamoto, Ouno, Morimoto, Maki, Mihara (all family names).

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Ever since seeing that list of names, I've anxiously been hoping we could put some names to them...but sadly we haven't. The fact that not a single one of them has appeared (aside from Reina who we knew beforehand) gives me more reason to believe that the names they are choosing to reveal and when is specific and intentional.

And from the audition roll call, Saki Kayama in Percussion is the short haired, glasses wearing third year, because they're called by year and she's the only female third year.

I could've sworn I mentioned this name at one point, but I did a thread search and I never did. I remember thinking it wasn't clear whether she played clarinet or percussion and therefore we didn't have enough info to put a name to a face. Here's the dialogue: Michie - "First percussion, Tanabe Narai.......Kayama Saki, Takashita Chieri, Total 11 clarinets".

Note there's both a video fade and an audio fade out/in after she announces Narai and before Saki as she's finishing announcing clarinets. You say that she's a third year percussion student. But here's a question for you....why couldn't she be a first year clarinetist who was called out right before Chieri (also a 1st year)? This would make her either #49, #50 or #51.

EDIT: Oh wait, I'm dumb.....the audio cut is the dead giveaway. Her name immediately follows Narai before the fade away and therefore can't be grouped with the clarinets.

[risingstar3110]

Finally caught up to the series.

Ep 11, more Kumiko x Reina moment. The yuri subtext definitely was stronger than what has been showed previously. But in the same time showed how much different the standard yuri subtext is to the romance showed in EP 8.

Like the two were definitely more intimate and their exchanged words were a lot more yuri~ish. But you don't feel the same affections they had during that whole trip to the top of that mountain.

The set-up and atmosphere probably played some part in it. But it does make wondering if Kyoani was just kinda fluke and outdone themselves back then. Setting up such a high bar that now they will struggle to reach again.

[Takigan]

To expand on my previous post, if we count Saki and Kamaya Tsubame (#37) We're only missing 2 percussionists. Also, by adding Hitomi-chan (#47) we're up to 33 members and thus have covered HALF the band! (at least with knowing given names).

[Dharma]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Just a little comment on this

Was thinking about that line for ~10 minutes, came up with "It felt that way to me too" but it felt too long for such a short line so just cut it in the end...

Originally Posted by Takigan

When Taki says "Let's add Euphonium" I wonder if it relates to that.

Can you explain about it? Is score same for all, and you just decide which part is played by each section? Are there parts of the score physically incompatible with some instruments? But it mostly customizable? Sounds like difficult task!

[Takigan]

Originally Posted by Dharma

Can you explain about it? Is score same for all, and you just decide which part is played by each section? Are there parts of the score physically incompatible with some instruments? But it mostly customizable? Sounds like difficult task!

It's kind of complicated, and I don't know how effectively this will translate over to your own language, but I'll do my best to explain it simply.

When Taki says "let's add Euphonium", it implies he wants to hear how the Euphoniums are sounding when added to the whichever group he was listening to before. This could mean that he might have expressed concern with how the Euphoniums were playing on a previous day and wants to hear how they've progressed since that time. He wants to add them back into the mix to see if the Euphonium part is "polished" enough to not make the rest of the group sound bad.

So when Reina and Kumiko are talking and Kumiko seems discontent, she may be referring to Taki-sensei scolding the Euphoniums for not being able to play their part. Reina might be helping her for this reason.

But this is all just me speculating...

[Kazu-kun]

^ Can it be that he wants to add Euphoniums to a part that didn't originally have them?

[Arya]

^^ Yep, even due to some info mentioned in some previous post I took that line as Taki wanted to add Euphonium in the sense of adding to Euphonium's section, or just Kumiko's, a new part, probably from another section, maybe to reinforce that specif part that sounded weak, a bit pretentious of him, but he is pretentious so it would make sense (weak intended as probably it would sound weak if played in open spaces).

[Takigan]

Originally Posted by Arya

^^ Yep, even due to some info mentioned in some previous post I took that line as Taki wanted to add Euphonium in the sense of adding to Euphonium's section, or just Kumiko's, a new part, probably from another section, maybe to reinforce that specif part that sounded weak, a bit pretentious of him, but he is pretentious so it would make sense (weak intended as probably it would sound weak if played in open spaces).

I assumed it was something along the lines of "Ok Trumpets, that sounded good...now let's try it again but this time add the Euphoniums back in".

But! It certainly could be that as well.... Adding additional notes to the Euphonium part so that it adds volume to the other instruments playing that same melody is not uncommon. That could be what he's trying to do.

EDIT: OR....maybe he's adding that melody to the Euphonium part because the other kids who are playing it (Saxophone, Flute...whoever) can't play it because it's too hard and he trusts Kumiko because of her seven years of EXPERIENCE! .....--which he's mentioned before and--and it ends up being too hard for her and she doesn't want to let him down so she has Reina help her and--hey this is kind of starting to come together!

[larethian]

It sounds to me that Taki wanted to add euphoniums to a particular phrase of the piece = what Kazu-kun said.

Spoilers

Spoiler for comparison to the novel with respect to the piece they are playing for the competition + upcoming episode preview

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[Takigan]

She downplays it so much throughout the whole series, but honestly I think Kumiko may very well be the strongest first year next to Reina and may very well be one of the top 10 overall musicians in the entire band. She could tell at the very beginning of the series that the Kitauji band wasn't very good, meaning her own playing was very likely ahead of the curve, and may be even one of the best in the band. the number of years she's been playing (7, being unusual), her background playing at Regional Gold winner KitaChu and the fact she had individual instruction from her older sister adds to this assumption as well. I think the fact that she's having to live in Asuka's shadow (Asuka who, based on previous implications, may be THE best musician in the band, even above Reina) has helped downplay this fact to others as well.

With Natsuki demoted, Asuka and Kumiko together might be the strongest individual section in the band, and Taki may be relying on that fact to remedy a problem in the ensemble sound.

[Arya]

Originally Posted by Takigan

She downplays it so much throughout the whole series, but honestly I think Kumiko may very well be the strongest first year next to Reina and may very well be one of the top 10 overall musicians in the entire band. She could tell at the very beginning of the series that the Kitauji band wasn't very good, meaning her own playing was very likely ahead of the curve, and may be even one of the best in the band. the number of years she's been playing (7, being unusual), her background playing at Regional Gold winner KitaChu and the fact she had individual instruction from her older sister adds to this assumption as well. I think the fact that she's having to live in Asuka's shadow (Asuka who, based on previous implications, may be THE best musician in the band, even above Reina) has helped downplay this fact to others as well.

With Natsuki demoted, Asuka and Kumiko together might be the strongest individual section in the band, and Taki may be relying on that fact to remedy a problem in the ensemble sound.

Yep, I agree, I was reaching this conclusion as well, all considered. Asuka's supposed skills, her audition was particularly short as Kumiko noted, would be the the perfect cover. Meanwhile Kumiko's duration, quite realistically since it's hard to value it by yourself. has been left indefinite.
On this front having Reina and Asuka as best musicians work as well if we consider Kumiko as being in the middle (and strongly leaning toward Reina's for now) of their extreme stances, that are polar opposites.

On the previous topic of adding the Euphonioum, so it's not uncommon to modify or adjust a music score if it's needed. Good to know, I took it as an implied way to say how good Taki is and also how strong his drive is. As much as Reina's.


On a not related note I was wondering how to interpret Asuka's behavior during the second audition, in which she heard Kaori's performance with closed eyes as to try to get her improvements and tones, while she was well open-eyed during Reina, that we could take as her performance was already so good to being with, to not have to hear it with that kind of attention, or something, say, less objective and more close to a sort of disapproving feeling, due to Reina general stance so different from hers. (but not because she was winning the role over Kaori).
By the way, if I had to pick someone to a date with Taki this one would be surely Asuka.

[Kazu-kun]

Asuka and Reina are probably the best players in the band, but I don't think we can say for sure that Asuka's better than Reina. Reina's clearly on a level of her own and we haven't hear enough from Asuka.

As for Kumiko, I imagine she's at least in the top ten.

[Soshishi]

What further downplays Kumiko is not only is she second best among the Euphoniums(Asuka being better) but also second best among the first years(Reina being better). However, I'd like to note that Kumiko wasn't the only one that noticed that Kitauji wasn't very good. Midori wasn't as blunt about it, but you could tell by certain moments(such as when she notes they won bronze and when they tried tuning afterwards) that she also knew they weren't very good either.

If I were to make a list of best players(among the players we've heard and know well) I'd say it goes Asuka-Reina-Kaori-Midori(because of her passion I believe she's better than Kumiko)-Kumiko-Shuichi(He's been struggling a lot more then Kumiko has so I believe Kumiko to be the better musician)-Yuko-Natsuki(I only believe Yuko to be better cause she actually made it through the auditions)- Hazuki I want to place Goto and Rika somewhere in here(maybe following Midori) but I haven't really heard enough of them for me to determine where they are in terms of skill.

[larethian]

Given her background and her confidence level, I would add Sapphire to the mix of best players.

Originally Posted by Takigan

She downplays it so much throughout the whole series, but honestly I think Kumiko may very well be the strongest first year next to Reina and may very well be one of the top 10 overall musicians in the entire band. She could tell at the very beginning of the series that the Kitauji band wasn't very good, meaning her own playing was very likely ahead of the curve, and may be even one of the best in the band. the number of years she's been playing (7, being unusual), her background playing at Regional Gold winner KitaChu and the fact she had individual instruction from her older sister adds to this assumption as well. I think the fact that she's having to live in Asuka's shadow (Asuka who, based on previous implications, may be THE best musician in the band, even above Reina) has helped downplay this fact to others as well.

With Natsuki demoted, Asuka and Kumiko together might be the strongest individual section in the band, and Taki may be relying on that fact to remedy a problem in the ensemble sound.

Just a small correction, Kumiko's middle school got gold in the prefectures and not the regionals. They failed to go to the regionals.
Furthermore, I won't consider 'ability to pick out Kitauji being bad' as a supporting evidence of how good Kumiko is, as they supposedly suck real bad and were totally out of sync.
The sister's instruction also seems to be pure speculation as well.

EDIT:
I'm not disagreeing with the possibility that she's good though just disagreeing on some of the evidence used . Her 3 years of experience in elementary school enabling her to oust her final year senior in middle school which i would presume to have 3 years of experience as well, plus her 4 additional years of experience like what you mentioned could be suggestive of that though.