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EroKing · 2017-04-29, 02:38

Tranhieu · 2017-04-29, 11:36

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Originally Posted by Ringil

The Icy Tail girls are pretty cool. Also, I'm pretty sure the subs for when Tomoya was reading the game at the end are totally off....

Yeah they are entirely something else. Not sure who worked on these lines.

Marcus H. · 2017-04-30, 08:54

Episode 3:

That's a lot of guts for Fanboy Tomoya to say... that neither between the Ruri and Meguri routes are better than the other and their game is a pile of shit. At least, this is a good thing. They could have the time to pull out before Rouge en rouge wipes the floor with them. And yes, I'm considering that there is no time to make a new story if all they have right now is a story that needs a rewrite. Anyway, kudos to Megumi for allowing an earlier review to happen.

With that aside, I think that Utaha, like Eriri, is having her own struggles. Eriri is still unable to produce new art for their VN, and Iori seems to imply that Utaha is not in her full spirits. Well, aside from the revelation about Utaha running out of time and demanding a less passive response from Tomoya, there's a possibility that she's also having a hard time in writing.

Overall, Blessing Software is losing steam fast, and their odds of winning against Rouge en rouge has become infinitesimally small.

EDIT: I still do not get the support of the people towards Megumi. Maybe it's the way her character is handled that came off as meta and thus, is too jarring to take too seriously.

RedWingFM · 2017-04-30, 12:37

I think that Utaha just wants Tomoya to understand that she will leave his side if she is not chosen. Tomoya instead wants some drama and wants her to stay with him. He's a coward.

Infinite Zenith · 2017-04-30, 12:48

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Originally Posted by RedWingFM

I think that Utaha just wants Tomoya to understand that she will leave his side if she is not chosen. Tomoya instead wants some drama and wants her to stay with him. He's a coward.

I was under the impression that Tomoya is unaware of the feelings of those around him, so absorbed in he in his own world.

AB079 · 2017-04-30, 13:02

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Originally Posted by Infinite Zenith

I was under the impression that Tomoya is unaware of the feelings of those around him, so absorbed in he in his own world.

Is actually both, he knows and acts like a coward and sometimes he's unaware of what's going on. The worst type of MC.

YF19EX · 2017-04-30, 14:04

I like Tomoya for his decision. He is keeping his attitude focused toward the game, and what ever his initial vision is. Utaha basically took her personal issues and reflected them into the games writing forcing Tomoya to use the routes to decide if she will stay or go. None of which should be related to the games writing.

RDNexus · 2017-04-30, 16:53

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Originally Posted by YF19EX

I like Tomoya for his decision. He is keeping his attitude focused toward the game, and what ever his initial vision is. Utaha basically took her personal issues and reflected them into the games writing forcing Tomoya to use the routes to decide if she will stay or go. None of which should be related to the games writing.

Finally someone reached the same conclusion.

Tomoya not only puts the girls in a pedestral due to them being popular in their respective areas, but he's also majorly focused on his game, his vision. His only reason for having scouted all those girls was because he deemed them vital to his project.
Only thinking about the romantic dilemmas is like caring about only half of the story's purpose.

_Ninja_ · 2017-04-30, 17:01

It's what makes him so unrepeatable. Like most harem MC that are the "disinterested" type.

AB079 · 2017-04-30, 17:05

Tomoya is indeed extremely focused on his work as creator and that's his top priority, that's true. But being focused on your job doesn't mean acting like clueless guy around the people who cares and have feelings for you. Remember what happened with Eriri on the previous season, that was thanks to him and now it's starting to show the same with Utaha.

There has to be a balance, Tomoya doesn't have that.

RDNexus · 2017-04-30, 17:53

I don't think it's a case of him not having a balance, but rather him not wanting to have it, since it's easier that way.
Less troublesome stuff to worry about

The 48th Ronin · 2017-04-30, 19:36

Otakus aren't exactly experts in social stuff, let alone romance. Hence, why Tomoya's "denseness" is quite realistic compared to other harem MCs.

Is he really clueless, or he just set those issues aside for the sake of the team?

Infinite Zenith · 2017-04-30, 19:59

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Originally Posted by The 48th Ronin

Is he really clueless, or he just set those issues aside for the sake of the team?

That is something that the show should (and probably will refuse) to address.

IceHism · 2017-04-30, 21:02

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Originally Posted by AB079

Tomoya is indeed extremely focused on his work as creator and that's his top priority, that's true. But being focused on your job doesn't mean acting like clueless guy around the people who cares and have feelings for you. Remember what happened with Eriri on the previous season, that was thanks to him and now it's starting to show the same with Utaha.

There has to be a balance, Tomoya doesn't have that.

Or you know, he doesn't like them so he doesn't want to have a relationship with them and neither does he want to break off his friendship with them.

YF19EX · 2017-04-30, 21:39

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Originally Posted by The 48th Ronin

Otakus aren't exactly experts in social stuff, let alone romance. Hence, why Tomoya's "denseness" is quite realistic compared to other harem MCs.

Is he really clueless, or he just set those issues aside for the sake of the team?

I do think he of course is aware of the girls feelings, and that reciprocating to any of them might disrupt the overall team and final goal. I guarantee he knew what Utaha was tying to do to him at the bar that night. The girls themselves aside from their feelings for Tomoya, probably find the project worthwhile, but none the less, it is Tomoya that is the reason they are doing this. Any disruption in that balance right now might end any of their relationships. Utaha and Eriri are already at that point with each other. Kinda frenemies?

Plus, well of course it would not be a romcom without the tension right?

_Ninja_ · 2017-05-01, 02:46

The entire scenario is so absurd that it defies realistic examination at every turn.

Realistically it is these girls that would have a harem of guys flocking around them because they outshine the MC in every way. But their world is diligently cleansed of all other men. Which given this genre is understandable because of how easy MC's spotlight could be stolen.

There is no amount of social awkwardness that can explain being oblivious in that situation. And if he just doesn't want it in that company then it defies comprehension.

Marcus H. · 2017-05-01, 03:14

Actually, that's a strong point, and it could explain why I'm really lukewarm about this series.
It is too absurd to examine using a more realistic point of view, and this absurdity seeps through even if you're watching it as a harem series. It also takes itself way too seriously for a harem series compared to Haganai.

Alf · 2017-05-01, 05:33

That statement about the girls should have a harem themselves instead of the MC is applicable to most harems in anime. Are you serious?

Well, let's say what Tomoya want from Utaha isn't exactly what she want, and the problem with Eriri is more about troublesome relationship between them, as shown in s1. Tomoya is not true oblivious, he's just being an escapist. (see when Megumi ask him about the meaning of the choices there's a flash back to Utaha's whisper)

Actually, the pool situation at start of episode 0 this season portrays it very well.

And the serious moments are important for character development and drama. Both Eriri and Utaha are well developed characters. No, I'm not talking about "realistic" because this is not a series that criticize common archtype characters but develop them to give them life. Serious does not equal to "realistic", and this is not a series that is just fooling around.

Marcus H. · 2017-05-01, 05:50

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And the serious moments are important for character development and drama. Both Eriri and Utaha are well developed characters. No, I'm not talking about "realistic" because this is not a series that criticize common archtype characters but develop them to give them life. Serious does not equal to "realistic", and this is not a series that is just fooling around.

Developed than girls in other series, sure, but it's still insufficient. But I guess it's mostly because we're still 2/3s of the way into the series. To be fair, both Haganai S2 and Oregairu S2 had major developments on their respective latter halves.

That said, I still do not feel engaged towards the story. The lack of "competitiveness" of Utaha and Eriri when compared to the so-called "best girl" Megumi hits me a lot; why should I watch a romantic comedy with such a passive victor? It takes away a lot of thrill, because you know that Megumi will win and neither Utaha nor Eriri have a chance whatsoever. At least in Oreimo, Manami managed to give Kirino a piece of her mind. But in Saekano, Megumi just effortlessly beats the competition. Where's the fun in that?

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No, I'm not talking about "realistic" because this is not a series that criticize common archtype characters but develop them to give them life. Serious does not equal to "realistic", and this is not a series that is just fooling around.

Except the Monogatari-esque dialog it delivers suggests that it's has a meta point of view on certain archetypes. And Saekano is on a weird balance between being too comedic to take seriously and too serious to treat as just a romcom.

Alf · 2017-05-01, 08:30

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Originally Posted by Marcus H.

That said, I still do not feel engaged towards the story. The lack of "competitiveness" of Utaha and Eriri when compared to the so-called "best girl" Megumi hits me a lot; why should I watch a romantic comedy with such a passive victor? It takes away a lot of thrill, because you know that Megumi will win and neither Utaha nor Eriri have a chance whatsoever. At least in Oreimo, Manami managed to give Kirino a piece of her mind. But in Saekano, Megumi just effortlessly beats the competition. Where's the fun in that?

Well, given that Megumi really isn't active on the romance side it's hard to even call her a victor. In a romcom, you invest into characters and then consider about competitions. The fun is among the characters, and if you can't find any fun in the character dynamics you're out of luck. On competition I'll just shut up because spoiler.

And to answer the question of why is Megumi the best girl....What is better than the supportive and interesting girlfriend that you already have? Alright, that's not really what actual girlfriends are like, but you get the point.

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Except the Monogatari-esque dialog it delivers suggests that it's has a meta point of view on certain archetypes. And Saekano is on a weird balance between being too comedic to take seriously and too serious to treat as just a romcom.

I haven't watched Monogatari series, but I don't think those scenes suggested any criticism. It's more a reference to otaku's tendancy to get over the top and use it as a self bantering joke.

As a romcom, Saekano does tend to be more serious at times, but having more weight to serious part of romcom is hardly a rare thing especially there was the eroge adaptation era. So perhaps it isn't exactly seriousness that you're having problem with. I'm on the edge of spoiler, but the hints are in the episodes.

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2017-04-30, 08:54	Link #83
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	Episode 3: That's a lot of guts for Fanboy Tomoya to say... that neither between the Ruri and Meguri routes are better than the other and their game is a pile of shit. At least, this is a good thing. They could have the time to pull out before Rouge en rouge wipes the floor with them. And yes, I'm considering that there is no time to make a new story if all they have right now is a story that needs a rewrite. Anyway, kudos to Megumi for allowing an earlier review to happen. With that aside, I think that Utaha, like Eriri, is having her own struggles. Eriri is still unable to produce new art for their VN, and Iori seems to imply that Utaha is not in her full spirits. Well, aside from the revelation about Utaha running out of time and demanding a less passive response from Tomoya, there's a possibility that she's also having a hard time in writing. Overall, Blessing Software is losing steam fast, and their odds of winning against Rouge en rouge has become infinitesimally small. EDIT: I still do not get the support of the people towards Megumi. Maybe it's the way her character is handled that came off as meta and thus, is too jarring to take too seriously. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39. Last edited by Marcus H.; 2017-04-30 at 09:06.

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RedWingFM Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Russia	I think that Utaha just wants Tomoya to understand that she will leave his side if she is not chosen. Tomoya instead wants some drama and wants her to stay with him. He's a coward. __________________

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AB079 Banned Join Date: Apr 2016	Tomoya is indeed extremely focused on his work as creator and that's his top priority, that's true. But being focused on your job doesn't mean acting like clueless guy around the people who cares and have feelings for you. Remember what happened with Eriri on the previous season, that was thanks to him and now it's starting to show the same with Utaha. There has to be a balance, Tomoya doesn't have that. Last edited by AB079; 2017-04-30 at 17:16.

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The 48th Ronin Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Anywhere. I'm a nomad.	Otakus aren't exactly experts in social stuff, let alone romance. Hence, why Tomoya's "denseness" is quite realistic compared to other harem MCs. Is he really clueless, or he just set those issues aside for the sake of the team? __________________ . "You can always die. It's living that takes real courage." .

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YF19EX Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Bad Chicken! Mess You Up!	I like Tomoya for his decision. He is keeping his attitude focused toward the game, and what ever his initial vision is. Utaha basically took her personal issues and reflected them into the games writing forcing Tomoya to use the routes to decide if she will stay or go. None of which should be related to the games writing.

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_Ninja_ Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2017	It's what makes him so unrepeatable. Like most harem MC that are the "disinterested" type.

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RDNexus Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Portugal Age: 36	I don't think it's a case of him not having a balance, but rather him not wanting to have it, since it's easier that way. Less troublesome stuff to worry about

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_Ninja_ Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2017	The entire scenario is so absurd that it defies realistic examination at every turn. Realistically it is these girls that would have a harem of guys flocking around them because they outshine the MC in every way. But their world is diligently cleansed of all other men. Which given this genre is understandable because of how easy MC's spotlight could be stolen. There is no amount of social awkwardness that can explain being oblivious in that situation. And if he just doesn't want it in that company then it defies comprehension.

2017-05-01, 03:14	Link #97
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	Actually, that's a strong point, and it could explain why I'm really lukewarm about this series. It is too absurd to examine using a more realistic point of view, and this absurdity seeps through even if you're watching it as a harem series. It also takes itself way too seriously for a harem series compared to Haganai. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2017-05-01, 05:33	Link #98
Alf Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Zone: Mare Tranquillitatis	That statement about the girls should have a harem themselves instead of the MC is applicable to most harems in anime. Are you serious? Well, let's say what Tomoya want from Utaha isn't exactly what she want, and the problem with Eriri is more about troublesome relationship between them, as shown in s1. Tomoya is not true oblivious, he's just being an escapist. (see when Megumi ask him about the meaning of the choices there's a flash back to Utaha's whisper) Actually, the pool situation at start of episode 0 this season portrays it very well. And the serious moments are important for character development and drama. Both Eriri and Utaha are well developed characters. No, I'm not talking about "realistic" because this is not a series that criticize common archtype characters but develop them to give them life. Serious does not equal to "realistic", and this is not a series that is just fooling around.