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FlareKnight · 2012-09-05, 15:20

Just how I always thought battles in AGE would go, balls of light smacking into each other....

. I pray that Zeheart and Kio don't have to fight too much since it's just silly to watch.

Kio just isn't fun to watch. Gets one of the best units out there and just squanders it. At least he didn't spend the fight telling Zeheart that they should just all get along. Just when Fram arrived it turned into the usual him getting knocked around.

At least we aren't short on death flags. I think Fram is raising so many that she's bound to pull and Obright and get Zeheart killed instead of her.

Raysoul · 2012-09-05, 15:28

Am I the only one who compares Kio to Banagher rather than to Kira? His stubbornness in his no kill policy is the same with Banagher. And rather than being perfect, they both try their best in the battlefield, and show their full skills on certain situations.

Kio's character is a stubborn pacifists, even the writers know that (considering that most characters in AGE are also complaining about his no-kill policy). But I think it is really understandable to see him taking this route for the sake of the homage/plot.

kk2extreme · 2012-09-05, 17:47

I just want Fram and Zeheart to end up together...

SoldierOfDarkness · 2012-09-05, 17:57

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Originally Posted by monster

Of course, Kira has been shown to kill or willing to kill from time to time...

As for Kio, we don't know yet, how far he is willing to take his ideals. It's explained in SEED.

Which at this point is all the way.

The guy is unwilling to even fight back in self-defence against two people he barely knows in fear of killing them because he thinks that it'll change despite the fact if he dies then a lot of other people will die.

I mean saying that your going to keep fighting your way and then just grinding your teeth while standing useless there with your allies doing most of the battle is a pretty pathetic way of doing it.

What's even more annoying is the way he stares at Seric like he's the devil for telling him to focus on protecting his allies.

Revolutionist · 2012-09-05, 19:05

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Originally Posted by kk2extreme

I just want Fram and Zeheart to end up together...

More often than not, what we want is not what we get...

Zeheart is pretty much irredeemable at this point, his orders caused the deaths of civilians on Earth, including a mother with her baby, and he laser'd a bunch of Flit's ships. Fram has gotten too many lines, and that only spells one thing in age: death. It's stupid, I don't like it, but it's what we'll get. I hope they are original for once, but don't hold your breath.

monster · 2012-09-05, 20:59

So, Burst Mode can attack a large number of enemy but has less precision. I guess Kio would have no choice but to kill if he were to use it? But the preview suggests that he will use it next episode. So I suppose it's time for a tragic death on a personal level to motivate Kio.

FlareKnight · 2012-09-05, 21:35

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Originally Posted by aeriolewinters

The novel states that the DODS Lancer is more powerful than it looks.

Considering at this point the DODS Lancer looks nearly useless as a ranged weapon that doesn't say much. If it manages to shoot down anything in the rest of the series that'd be impressive.

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Originally Posted by Revolutionist

More often than not, what we want is not what we get...

Zeheart is pretty much irredeemable at this point, his orders caused the deaths of civilians on Earth, including a mother with her baby, and he laser'd a bunch of Flit's ships. Fram has gotten too many lines, and that only spells one thing in age: death. It's stupid, I don't like it, but it's what we'll get. I hope they are original for once, but don't hold your breath.

Now I agree on a lot, but not like lasering ships means anything. I mean last generations battle Flit tried to funnel the Vagan forces into the middle and then laser all of them. Just in that case the Vagans invested in shields while the Feds...didn't.

I don't think he's completely irredeemable, but he's getting there. I think him going insane is more of a problem for his survivability than anything else. All the death flags Fram is flying will either get her and/or Zeheart killed.

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Originally Posted by monster

So, Burst Mode can attack a large number of enemy but has less precision. I guess Kio would have no choice but to kill if he were to use it? But the preview suggests that he will use it next episode. So I suppose it's time for a tragic death on a personal level to motivate Kio.

I swear this would be like Asemu last arc turning down the Double Bullet (still think that'd be way more useful than Dark Hound here

). Curious to see just what Burst Mode does. Seems like the AGE System is trying to adapt to compensate for Kio's problem. It's not that the FX doesn't have enough power, but Kio won't use it. Sadly the Age System can't evolve to solve the pilot's personal policy.

Nvis · 2012-09-05, 21:52

DODS Lancer doesn't even shoot DODS......

monster · 2012-09-05, 22:11

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Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Sadly the Age System can't evolve to solve the pilot's personal policy.

That's not completely true. It could develop an automatic targeting system that would attack designated targets.

Of course, Flit would have to lock Kio out of that system.

overloard · 2012-09-05, 22:51

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Originally Posted by monster

So, Burst Mode can attack a large number of enemy but has less precision. I guess Kio would have no choice but to kill if he were to use it? But the preview suggests that he will use it next episode. So I suppose it's time for a tragic death on a personal level to motivate Kio.

Well preview suggests that he will use it against Zanald, who is ideal guy for this type of situations. No one will really care even if Kio kills him. Plus his MS is so big, precision doesn't really matter

Znozzy · 2012-09-05, 22:56

Wasnt burst mode some high-speed-funnelholebeamsabreswholooklikefunnels type of mode? like beam sabers pops out where the FC's funnels are supposed to be docked?

monster · 2012-09-05, 22:59

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Originally Posted by overloard

No one will really care even if Kio kills him.

Kio should, supposedly.

Rising Dragon · 2012-09-05, 23:12

FX Burst mode was described to basically maximize the Gundam AGE-FX's speed and mobility. My guess is that the loss of precision comes from how friggin' fast Kio will be moving, preventing him from targeting properly. I don't think it'll have any extra beam sabers coming out of all the ports.

Obelisk ze Tormentor · 2012-09-05, 23:54

Forget about the plot and character development! Since Generation 3 start, the main reason I watch AGE is for the battles! But, Legilis & FX’s fight in this episode reminds me a lot about DBZ

. Btw, FX is still pretty much become a sandbag in this episode *sigh....*

Also, I could be wrong, but is this the first Gundam series where the pilots report that they’re piloting “custom” suits?

I was reminded about it when Seric Abis yelled “Clanche Custom!” to the deck operators (same thing with Obright).

overloard · 2012-09-06, 10:54

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Originally Posted by monster

Kio should, supposedly.

It can be easy (and cheap) way to resolve his moral conflict. Kio will learn the reality of war hard way and finally pull the trigger, but conveniently it will happen around villainous villain Zanald and his people who are so evil that they have no qualms about backstabbing their fellow Vagans, so afterwards everyone can say “Yeah, they had it coming”. Kio with his newfound determination then will swiftly find a way to fight without killing and protect his allies (fully mastering Burst Mode, for instance), and tah-dah, they lived happily ever after

Gomenasai · 2012-09-07, 01:08

Episode 6 sucks. I really hated Kio in this episode. booo hoo I don't want to use burst mode because it will hurt people.

Destined_Fate · 2012-09-07, 06:58

Eh... We can all wait for AGE 3 to get into a SRW game. Kouji, Adult Simon, or Ryouma should be able to put hair on Kio's chest and teach him to be a proper man.

Dengar · 2012-09-07, 16:58

Being a killer makes you a man now?

kaito-kid · 2012-09-07, 20:29

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Originally Posted by Dengar

Being a killer makes you a man now?

Gundam fan logic.. Deal with it!

(I had to.)

Aquaman OS · 2012-09-07, 21:38

No but getting a clear head and understanding of the situation will.

If Kio wants to fight to disable than fine, assuming he can still do his job and get a decisive victory than fine. A solider isn't obligated to kill everyone they fight. Just stop them, though 9/10 times it involves killing them. But it's a war crime to do stuff like execute wounded or surrendering enemies or attack pilots that have ejected IRL so if Kio cuts out of the cockpit fine.

Kio's problem however is that when it comes to non mooks he stops fighting and tries to preach peace with them. And when it doesn't immediately work, he just keeps doing it. After the 2nd time Girard basically laughed him off he should have gotten to the disabling. She obviously wasn't going to listen, so further words were pointless. Same with Fram.

He's also for some reason letting a girl he knew for only a short while color his whole experience with the Vegan now. He's right that the Vegan's don't deserve to be wiped out, (Asemu believes this too.) but he seems to want instant peace since he personally met a Vegan he liked. He's also almost oddly unable to connect with his own grandfather and home side, more or less writing off all their losses as unimportant, and they should all just give up and make peace with the Vegan.

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2012-09-05, 15:20	Link #81
FlareKnight User of the "Fast Draw" Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada	Just how I always thought battles in AGE would go, balls of light smacking into each other..... I pray that Zeheart and Kio don't have to fight too much since it's just silly to watch. Kio just isn't fun to watch. Gets one of the best units out there and just squanders it. At least he didn't spend the fight telling Zeheart that they should just all get along. Just when Fram arrived it turned into the usual him getting knocked around. At least we aren't short on death flags. I think Fram is raising so many that she's bound to pull and Obright and get Zeheart killed instead of her. __________________ Anime-Evo

2012-09-05, 15:28	Link #82
Raysoul Member Join Date: May 2012	Am I the only one who compares Kio to Banagher rather than to Kira? His stubbornness in his no kill policy is the same with Banagher. And rather than being perfect, they both try their best in the battlefield, and show their full skills on certain situations. Kio's character is a stubborn pacifists, even the writers know that (considering that most characters in AGE are also complaining about his no-kill policy). But I think it is really understandable to see him taking this route for the sake of the homage/plot. __________________ Gundam Age > 00 + Seed Combined

2012-09-05, 23:12	Link #93
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	FX Burst mode was described to basically maximize the Gundam AGE-FX's speed and mobility. My guess is that the loss of precision comes from how friggin' fast Kio will be moving, preventing him from targeting properly. I don't think it'll have any extra beam sabers coming out of all the ports. __________________

2012-09-05, 23:54	Link #94
Obelisk ze Tormentor Black Steel Knight Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Indonesia	Forget about the plot and character development! Since Generation 3 start, the main reason I watch AGE is for the battles! But, Legilis & FX’s fight in this episode reminds me a lot about DBZ . Btw, FX is still pretty much become a sandbag in this episode sigh.... Also, I could be wrong, but is this the first Gundam series where the pilots report that they’re piloting “custom” suits? I was reminded about it when Seric Abis yelled “Clanche Custom!” to the deck operators (same thing with Obright). __________________

2012-09-05, 17:47	Link #83
kk2extreme Your wife is hot... Join Date: May 2008 Location: At your house fixing A/C	I just want Fram and Zeheart to end up together...

2012-09-05, 20:59	Link #86
monster Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	So, Burst Mode can attack a large number of enemy but has less precision. I guess Kio would have no choice but to kill if he were to use it? But the preview suggests that he will use it next episode. So I suppose it's time for a tragic death on a personal level to motivate Kio.

2012-09-05, 21:52	Link #88
Nvis Where are the good animes Join Date: Dec 2003	DODS Lancer doesn't even shoot DODS......

2012-09-05, 22:56	Link #91
Znozzy Praise the sun! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Sweden Age: 34	Wasnt burst mode some high-speed-funnelholebeamsabreswholooklikefunnels type of mode? like beam sabers pops out where the FC's funnels are supposed to be docked?

2012-09-07, 01:08	Link #96
Gomenasai The Poster-guy Join Date: Apr 2006 Age: 34	Episode 6 sucks. I really hated Kio in this episode. booo hoo I don't want to use burst mode because it will hurt people.

2012-09-07, 06:58	Link #97
Destined_Fate Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: "Sacrifice one to appease the few."	Eh... We can all wait for AGE 3 to get into a SRW game. Kouji, Adult Simon, or Ryouma should be able to put hair on Kio's chest and teach him to be a proper man.

2012-09-07, 16:58	Link #98
Dengar Kamen Rider Muppeteer Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Unknown Age: 39	Being a killer makes you a man now?

2012-09-07, 21:38	Link #100
Aquaman OS Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008	No but getting a clear head and understanding of the situation will. If Kio wants to fight to disable than fine, assuming he can still do his job and get a decisive victory than fine. A solider isn't obligated to kill everyone they fight. Just stop them, though 9/10 times it involves killing them. But it's a war crime to do stuff like execute wounded or surrendering enemies or attack pilots that have ejected IRL so if Kio cuts out of the cockpit fine. Kio's problem however is that when it comes to non mooks he stops fighting and tries to preach peace with them. And when it doesn't immediately work, he just keeps doing it. After the 2nd time Girard basically laughed him off he should have gotten to the disabling. She obviously wasn't going to listen, so further words were pointless. Same with Fram. He's also for some reason letting a girl he knew for only a short while color his whole experience with the Vegan now. He's right that the Vegan's don't deserve to be wiped out, (Asemu believes this too.) but he seems to want instant peace since he personally met a Vegan he liked. He's also almost oddly unable to connect with his own grandfather and home side, more or less writing off all their losses as unimportant, and they should all just give up and make peace with the Vegan.