2012-07-05, 06:40 | Link #81 |
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You're using the word 'look', I assume you mean visuals, graphics and animation.
You think the graphics and animation look like trash, I think you have no idea what you are saying. If you don't mean the visuals look like trash, then don't use the word 'look'. And if you somehow mean the story, plot, storyboarding and other written content 'look' like trash after watching 25 seconds of footage then I think you're a just a hater and troll, nothing more. Using 25 seconds to judge a film that would be around 7200 seconds long, dismissing 180000 frames of effort by hundreds of people just by 625 frames alone, you don't seem like someone who knows how to appreciate. As an animator, I can tell you that the animators who animated Rebuild put in more effort than you have ever done in your life. Have you ever drawn the same face for more than 10 times? These animators probably have drawn the faces of each character more than 10000 times, digitalise and edit them 10000 times, colour them 10000 times. They've watched Evangelion way more times than you ever had and worked on it more than you ever do.
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2012-07-05, 08:40 | Link #83 |
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No new girl is stealing Shinji from Asuka, because Rei is the girl who Shinji is fully committed to.
Shinji always had more feelings towards Rei than Asuka anyway, be it romantic or some kind of motherly presence.
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2012-07-05, 21:06 | Link #84 | ||
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I've reiterated all my problems with Rebuild many many times in this thread in the past, and as a long time NGE fan I am generally disgusted with many of the efforts put into the film. This isn't even about simply staying true to NGE, which is also large issue I have, but the fact that the film just wasn't very good. It was rushed, and the writing and directing clearly showed that. Considering how much of a hole this movie series is already in, they have a tough road ahead of them if they ever want to convince me that this effort was really worth it. All I see here is some greedy money grab. What this trailer did signify to me, and I haven't declared any definitive judgment on anything but what the trailer showed me, is that they didn't learn anything from rebuild 2.0 (And why should they since they obviously are dumbing down evangelion to face palming levels and getting tons of cash for it?). Sorry, putting crap in a gold box doesn't change the fact that inside the box is crap. I applaud the visuals more or less (Though personally I think EoE looks better than these rebuild films aesthetically IMO), but abhor everything else. Just putting a bunch of flashy images is convincing me that I am no longer the fan they had in mind when they made this. Quote:
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2012-07-06, 07:03 | Link #85 |
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How about you being the one who just kept complaining about the story not going the way you want and sticking to your own narrow minded views of the story for the past few years.
Just how big is this hole that this top box office and DVD selling movie series has fallen in? Because the characters are developing in a different direction that you like, you think it was written badly? You must have some insane standards or just trapped in your own nostalgia to think that this is trash. The hundreds of thousands of people who liked this 'trash' must be people who have no idea at all. What do you know about the efforts of making a animated film? Which part of this huge effort involved in making this film justifies you using the word 'trash'? Using the word 'trash' and 'crap' just tells me that you are not a good amateur critic, you are just another unappreciative viewer. Who watches the film most? Definitely not the director, because the director is the guy who puts the least amount of work into a single production. Its the animators, sound engineers, editors, screen writers, story boarders, etc. these are the people who have to keep rewatching the film to make every single detail work. Have you ever animated anything from scratch? Probably not, because you don't know how many times an animator would review his own animation. Have you edited and compose a film from scratch before? Probably not. Have you ever as an animator, work together with voice actors and musicians to try synching voice to mouth animation and sound tracks with scenes? Have you ever thrown away 2 weeks of work, several hundred pieces of frames because the director thinks this scene needs to be redrawn in another angle? Do you have any idea how many thousands of hours of work and rewatching per person puts into this for you to say this is trash? Do you know how many thousands of hours is put into those 25 seconds, 625 frames for you to say trash? Trash? From someone who just sits there and watch shows, how ignorant and arrogant can one be?
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2012-07-06, 07:17 | Link #86 | |||||
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My main issue is not about disagreement. It's that you not only not addressed any of the points of the post you're replying too, but your rant, while, full of passion, has nothing to do with it either. I'd hate to see such energy go in a wasted direction. Quote:
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And no, audience rarely watch more than the people who make the films, unless you're one who has watched literally hundreds of times. Of course customers and audience can say shit they like, Reckoner did it, so my opinion of him in return is that he is just another ignorant and arrogant viewer and amateur critic. EDIT: And there is absolutely nothing in those 25 seconds to say anything about story which is what Reckoner has been going on about these years and yet he says its 'trash' even though he says he applauds the visuals.
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I would only call someone's line of work trash if I was somehow "offended" by it. I mean let's take this analogy of another subjective topic... food! I'm sure every cook puts a lot of time and effort in their work. But hey, being humans, people make mistakes, and maybe they burnt it or something. If I said the steak was a shit job and was trash, it doesn't mean all chefs are trash, or all steaks are trash. I appreciate the effort, but throw that shit away and try again! If they prostrated at me to appreciate all their hours they put in training, I'd tell them to gtfo. Respect and admiration is earned. Effort in itself can be praised, but it may not deserve it in and of itself.
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2012-07-06, 07:35 | Link #90 |
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And what about those thousands of hours behind the 25 seconds deserve to be called trash? What justifies Reckoner's claim that it is trash, besides him being an unappreciative hater?
EDIT: I don't imply anything, I'm responding in disagreement and disgust at how someone can look at 25 seconds of effort that is technically sound and doesn't deserve to be called trash objectively. The only thing in those 25 seconds are animation and visuals, they are all technically excellent work. They do not deserve to be called trash. Do you think it should be called trash? Do the both of you agree with Reckoner that those 25 seconds is trash?
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2012-07-06, 07:44 | Link #91 | |
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Besides considering we all know what Rei really is it makes it hard to see their relationship in that way. You know since she's pretty much a copy of "You Know Who" and looks just like "You Know Who". Which explains a lot of Shinji's reactions towards her considering he has abandonment issues here though at least the Movies haven't portrayed him as completey traumitized over it. Last edited by Destined_Fate; 2012-07-06 at 07:58. |
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And as for the trailer itself, well, I didn't feel like it showed anything of substance, and it didn't encourage me to seek more details on watching. So yes, I would say said trailer wasn't very good in getting me to watch it. Applying objective metrics to subjective opinions don't work.
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2012-07-06, 07:55 | Link #95 |
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Gais. Why youz all so worked up on a trailer? Actually nvm, I do that all the time for shows I care
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But not liking, or even raging at something is not necessarily being a "hater". A hater is someone that aggressively seeks out the subject of their hate out of spite and to be plain mean. For example, I am a hater towards a certain popular archetype of character and will often take any opportunity that arises to bash them. When you go out of your way to hate something, then you are a hater. When you simply express displeasure at a franchise you have interest in, then you are a critic, or in some extreme cases, butthurt. Quote:
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You're right though. Needs moar quality.
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2012-07-06, 08:07 | Link #97 |
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Reckoner has gone beyond a critic to become a hater if he uses words like trash or crap to describe an unreleased film, especially when there is nothing much to critic on.
A show definitely has more stuff than animation, but that trailer is only 25 seconds of animation with no story which doesn't deserve to be called trash. Reckoner himself said the visuals and animation are good, so what is he complaining about the 25 second trailer that justifies it to be called trash?
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2012-07-06, 08:21 | Link #98 |
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Well, one could have a low opinion of the trailer itself. And if the trailer is a representation of the movie, no matter how minute, it's going to leave a bad impression anyways. And really, impressions are all we have atm.
But as I've said quite a few times, that "deserve" isn't something that should be taken for granted regardless of efforts. That's just my 2 cents. We don't really have anything concrete at the moment to really engage in meta-analysis of people's evaluations and any more would consist of internet psychology and divining of other's intentions. No point really, but at this point I've outstayed my welcome on this topic and everyone knows what I think by now. Hopefully. Which is the point.
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2012-07-06, 08:29 | Link #99 |
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Well my argument wasn't with you anyways and I don't think Reckoner is going to change his mind on anything.
If anyone has any impression that's not just trash it doesn't bother me. Obviously the people who watched the trailer on site all sound pretty ecstatic, I don't think the general opinion is that this 25 seconds is trash.
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2012-07-06, 11:28 | Link #100 |
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I have no real wish at this time to go into detail once more about what I hate about Rebuild 2.0.
The characters aren't just being put in a different direction, the direction is also overly simplified and inconsistent in characterization. Character development is barely existent besides a few of the main characters, and what character development is there is horribly generic. The new character Mari has earned no distinct identity of her own since everything she did in the film was basically usurping the role of other characters (Screwing characters like Kaiji and Asuka out of screen time), which begs the question of why was she even introduced in this film? The way the final conflict was setup was horribly flawed. Not only was the treaty that forced them to put away an Eva stupidly conceived (Seriously the world is in danger and they do that?), but it was simply a plot device to put Asuka in Toiji's sacrificial lamb spot. What's the big problem with this? Because it creates a sort of paradox. They establish a situation which is meant to be tragic but half the ingredients to make it tragic are not even there. Maybe the audience can pity Asuka in 2.0, but the movie totally falters in trying to express the weight of her absence convincingly as there is no one else in the film to notice it! Asuka was never sufficiently brought into the film, connected to the characters by the time this even occurs. The movie fails on delivering the full influence her tragedy causes to other characters. The tension is as a result lackluster, especially in how Bardiel incident played out. What makes this situation more laughable as how when SHinji decides to leave Nerv, Misato half-heartedly asks why Shinji hasn't asked how Asuka and Rei are doing. Wait - Asuka and Rei? If I remember correctly Rei is just fine. Oh yes, she got her big evening ruined, a little dinner party... boo hoo. No Asuka is in vegetable form in some secret lab, but Misato gets emotional that Shinji didn't get ot sit with his dad and Rei and make awkward conversation. Doesn't this seem off? I'm sorry, the way Asuka's character was handled throughout the film was laughably bad and it wasn't just because she was different and no longer the main relationship interest. It's these sorts of things throughout the film that make it just very mediocre to me. I can honestly go on and on if you aren't satisfied, but if you don't even respond to any of my points why should I care to? ------ Furthermore, the trailer seems to represent the same sort of flash and no substance that I saw in 2.0. Is it any wonder why I am terribly unimpressed and think the film just might actually be crap? Oh because I call it crap I am a troll. If that's what you choose to believe, so be it. Want me to use a euphemism to make it better? Terribly ordinary Bad Disgraceful Below average Awful Atrocious Unsatisfactory Unacceptable Substandard I don't care what you pick. It conveys the same thing. Are we so young that a little rough language is going to ruffle your feathers so much? I also don't care if the masses of people happen to like this film. Why is that relevant to me and my own tastes and how I perceive this? If you guys are happy with this, great. I'm not and that's what I am going to express. And believe it I am far from the only one who thinks this, so I'm not some extremist fringe opinion here. And believe me I credit the animators and people doing the visuals (I don't like the OST or editing so won't credit that). I thought Guilty Crown was the worst show I watched last year, but I acknowledge its fantastic visuals. But just because people put effort into this I should praise the entire work? Give me a break.
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