The Movie of the Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya (Impressions/Reviews)

[NaweG]

Originally Posted by ac195

So best scene of the movie goes to?

A) The train terminal, complete with bookmark ticket, and Alt!Yuki hold Kyon's sleeve and Haruhi waiting on the other side.

B) Kyon vs Inner Kyon, complete with borderline hate crime face stomping.

C) Kyon x Nagato moment on the hospital roof, complete with a make shift traditional Japanese wedding veil and Kyon on one knee.

D) Nagato's super cute reaction after the credits.

E) None of the above.

Well, while I disagree with E, there is certainly much to be said about all of these. However, I'd probably vote for C myself, but then I'm enough of a romantic that I wish he could marry the young (?) alien. Then again, that would make Haruhi sad, so I guess she'll have to reinvent a world where polygamy is legal in Japan

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by ac195

So best scene of the movie goes to?

A) The train terminal, complete with bookmark ticket, and Alt!Yuki hold Kyon's sleeve and Haruhi waiting on the other side.

B) Kyon vs Inner Kyon, complete with borderline hate crime face stomping.

C) Kyon x Nagato moment on the hospital roof, complete with a make shift traditional Japanese wedding veil and Kyon on one knee.

D) Nagato's super cute reaction after the credits.

E) None of the above.

E) None of the above.

Spoiler for movie:

Ryoko's final scene. Psychopathic Ryoko is gloriously psychopathic...

C) is close if only for the incredible background. And you just knew KyoAni had to work in a sad emotionless girl in snow somehow...

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Season 2 (or 3..depending on your thought on what Haruhi 2009 was) will answer that...maybe. I sort of remember the part of a following novel (7 I think) that dealt with the aftermath of those events...but it has been a few years since I read that one.

Spoiler for later novels:

Correct. The prologue of Volume 7 contains the resolution of Disappearance.

[Thunder Book]

Just saw the movie. Slightly different than how I remember the novel, but my god did this make up for Endless Eight. Fantastic film- 10/10.

[AmyElizzabeth]

Originally Posted by Thunder Book

Just saw the movie. Slightly different than how I remember the novel, but my god did this make up for Endless Eight. Fantastic film- 10/10.

I'm glad that it wasn't exactly like it, though.
The policeman looked like a kidnapper..

[wingman32x]

Just finished the movie, and I thought it was very good. Not a masterpiece, but it was very well done. I liked how Kyon's character developed during the course of the movie. I also loved the alternate Nagato, she was so cute. The animation looked great, and the plot was good, too. That being said, I thought it was a bit too long. IMO, they could have shaved 15-30 minutes off the run time and still have the plot remain in tact. It dragged on at times, too.

About it's #1 overall ranking on MAL, only 774 people rated it. Most of the top ten have been rated over 20,000 times. I guess what I'm trying to say is that it'll be pretty hard to maintain that 9.12 average IMO. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Overall, I give disappearance an 8/10. A very good movie, but I thought it dragged on at times.

[Vegard Aune]

Originally Posted by ac195

So best scene of the movie goes to?

A) The train terminal, complete with bookmark ticket, and Alt!Yuki hold Kyon's sleeve and Haruhi waiting on the other side.

B) Kyon vs Inner Kyon, complete with borderline hate crime face stomping.

C) Kyon x Nagato moment on the hospital roof, complete with a make shift traditional Japanese wedding veil and Kyon on one knee.

D) Nagato's super cute reaction after the credits.

E) None of the above.

Either B or E.

For the record, "E" would in this case be

Spoiler for ...:

Asakura stabbing Kyon. That was genuine Nightmare Fuel right there.

[kazewa]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Season 2 (or 3..depending on your thought on what Haruhi 2009 was) will answer that...maybe. I sort of remember the part of a following novel (7 I think) that dealt with the aftermath of those events...but it has been a few years since I read that one.

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

Spoiler for later novels:

Correct. The prologue of Volume 7 contains the resolution of Disappearance.

Oh, volume 7, ic... Thanks, I'm going to check it soon

[ac195]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

E) None of the above.

Spoiler for movie:

Ryoko's final scene. Psychopathic Ryoko is gloriously psychopathic...

C) is close if only for the incredible background. And you just knew KyoAni had to work in a sad emotionless girl in snow somehow...

Spoiler for later novels:

Correct. The prologue of Volume 7 contains the resolution of Disappearance.

I really thought that was done very well... come on... when Kyon said "Yuki..." and that sorta knee-jerk reaction Nagato had... that was good... too bad for her that "Yuki.." was just really yuki...

Am, I really the only one who thought that final scene after the credits was extremely cute... and only makes me only want to hug Nagato even more?

[Kanon]

Well, that was really great... it even managed to live up to the gigantic hype for me, and that's quite a feat. I'm glad I managed to avoid most spoilers, I knew the overall plot but that was it. Kyon getting

Spoiler for spoiler:

stabbed by Asakura

made me jumped out of my seat. Wow. I can't wait for the blu-ray now !

[Kaioshin Sama]

Starting over since my reflection was deleted as I was writing it.

Spoiler for reflections so far:

About 30 minutes into the movie and have to appreciate the animation quality. When it's good it's good. Also looks like Kyoani went and made themselves a signature logo, though what a floating planet has to do with anything I'm not sure. Anyway they are coming along in that regard, but unfortunately this work is suffering from the same problem as all of their works so far and the same problems I've always found the Haruhi franchise to have.

For all the franchises glitzy animation I still find roughly 80% of the cast intolerable and underdeveloped even after 2 14 episode seasons of them. As expected Mikuru is exploited, Haruhi is obnoxious (and especially overacted by Hirano in this particular movie) and Yuki just kind of sits there like a statue for the time being. Plus Taniguchi is also pretty annoying during his bit and thus I find myself turning to Kyon. It says something when he's still the only character I really find tolerable and I find myself actually becoming more engrossed in the scenes that are just him alone or talking with another one of the male characters as opposed to one of the moe moe girls. Still the pacing so far is atrocious and I find my interest starting to wane.

Things picked up a little bit after the actual Disappearance part and I find the absence of Haruhi a huge refresher...but then I remember from the book that she's not really gone and I die just a little more inside.

The scene with Asakura's reintroduction was bloody hilarious if you ask me. The whole slasher villain feel as she strolls up acting all cutesy and polite actually slayed me quite a bit. What followed it with Kyon going absolutely ballastic over the lack of Haruhi was also pretty amusing, proving once again that the only scenes that really succeed in this franchise for me are the ones involving Kyon since honestly Sugita Tomokazu is about the only actor good enough to carry a particular scene IMO besides Yuko Goto who is unfortunately stuck with a dumb as rocks character to play.

Gotta take a break....I'll be back to finish up the movie (thank god I have this option), but it's easily the best thing that Kyoto Animation has produced in a long time even if I want to most of the characters to suffer some horrible fate and for the pacing to pick up already. Strip all the hype/fanboyism away from this affair and I think we still actually have something going here for a change which is a huge relief and surprise. Of course the night and the movie is still young.....

Spoiler for continuing on from the 30 minute mark:

What's with all the shots of people's feet in this movie? It's just a little weird as all and it's like the 5th time I've noticed one so far. Maybe it's because much of this movie so far has been composed of Kyon walking around for the most part. Anyway Kyon talking to Mikuru came across a LOT creepier than it did in the book....like wow....in this case I can't blame Tsuruya at all for using Self-Defense techniques on him whereas in the book it came across more like a misunderstanding and nothing more. Anyway Kyon's apparently a huge wimp if that maneuver somehow hurt that much with her arm on the bottom of the lock, which come to think of it would have made it extremely breakable. Maybe he just likes playing the sub by this point, who knows....he does seem to actually like hanging around Haruhi now. And Mikuru's thing....that was not a punch lol. Oh Mikuru....

Speaking of submissive, the creepy scene is over and another kind of creepy scene with Alt!Nagato starts up. I have to say she wasn't anywhere near as gag me with a spoon moe as I had anticipated and other than her saying a lot more than usual she didn't really strike me as all that much different from the usual Nagato baring a tendency towards more facial expressions. Not what I was expecting at all, but not complaining either as it's somehow more intriguing to see this way if still creepy as hell.

Hmmmm....this is starting to feel a little drawn out again though. I'm almost wanting him to find Haruhi so that we can get moving with the narrative here. This movie obviously had a really high budget though and they want to show off every little bit of it so I guess we're going to stare at some pretty background scenery for a little while longer. In fact I kind of regret what I said about the scenes with Kyon only earlier as this is starting to get surprisingly dull watching him walk sullenly around the school for the past 15 or so minutes straight. I'm not even really noticing the gorgeous animation anymore because it's starting to all blend together into one long walk cycle.

Something finally happening now at around the 55 minute mark with Kyon very slowly figuring out to do with the key that real Nagato seems to have left him. Nothing seems to come of it though...at least not yet.

Well Kyon's walking Nagato home it seems, maybe something will actually come of this scene....then again maybe not. We've got a boring sarcastic guying drinking tea with a girl that barely talks. Just when I thought this movie couldn't possibly get any more dull at this point. Oi Oi Oi....... We've hit the one hour mark so something has got to start happening again soon.

Yeah I think we've figured out that Haruhi is missing and that a lot of things are different now Kyon, thank you for the extended exposition. Now can you please get to actually doing something? Jesus it's like with his indecisiveness at the end of each Endless Eight repeat all over again. Just be a man and do something, cause you know nobody here is really going to be able to help you.

Look even the guy doing the filming at a dutch angle seems to be getting restless since he keeps shifting his weight and coughing/groaning a little.

Haha, okay the scene with Asakura in the elevator was pretty interesting and telling that this versions is obsessed with and overprotective of Nagato. Actualy character development is nice.

This is dragging pretty bad at this point as I had heard it would from some of the reviews I've read and the Daily Show is coming on so I'm going to go take another break. I get the feeling it's about to finally pick up though so hopefully that is the case when I get back in 30.

Good episode of the Daily Show...well back to the movie then.

Spoiler for From the 1:20 minute mark:

Finally things starting to happen again as Kyon finds Haruhi and Koizumi is the first person to prove useful in this whole affair. I always kind of liked his character too for when Kyon is being especially dull and sullen. 60 minutes into the Disappearance event and finally Kyon is able to figure out that this is an alternate dimension through sheer dumb luck....wow. Still kind of tempted to fast forward through this whole part as it's bloody obvious to anyone watching by this point who has at least a quarter of a brain what is going on.

Hahaha! Haruhi looks so smug in that one shot of her in the back of the car. And don't worry kids, there's no nudity in this film, just gym outfit fetishes being fulfilled.

This scene with Haruhi doing what she always does with Mikuru set to orchestral music is probably the most surreal thing I've seen in this film so far actually. So now everybody is gathered in the classroom again and really there's not a whole lot different from this alternate universe anymore is there?

I actually forgot about this part from the book. So the whole point was to gather the group to the clubroom for regular Nagato to be able to communicate with them eh? Looks like we're getting back to the intrigue of the first season a little bit. Kyon even gathered up some balls and told everybody to be quiet so that he can concentrate.

That part with Yuki (I think?) saying she won't forgive Kyon after he works the escape program was pretty telling.

Cool, so we're back to the day three years ago with a Back to The Future Part II like scenario to try to fix the timeline. In fact now that I think of it this whole movie kind of reminds me of Back To The Future II if back to the future II had dragged horribly during it's first half instead of showing off that cool future world and keeping things interesting for the casual audience. To be fair though this is definitely starting to get interesting again finally and it's these parts of the franchise that I actually really do like a lot and wish they'd do more of.

Yugo Goto always gets to shine as the adult version of Mikuru. I love these parts where she actually gets to sound kind of sexy and intelligent instead of like a mewling cat.

Hahaha, I liked how spooked young Haruhi acted when Kyon called out the John Sumisu line to her.

One thing I noticed that is consistently good about this movies animation versus the TV series is that usually any shot of a window shows it filled with eye searing bright light as if the sun is directly outside the window itself. Not so in this movie where there's actually an outside world that is shown and drawn in striking detail.

Chihara Minori's creepy whisper voice that she uses for Nagato's exposition dialogue still gives me uncomfortable shivers even now.

Yeah I wouldn't be jabbing a needle some girl randomly conjured up out of her glasses into myself either Kyon. Your a dull man, but an introspective and cautious one. Anyway that little blocky animation they used when Nagato rearranged the thing into a gun reminds me of something but I can't think of what.

Hmmm...does Nagato biting Kyon classify as a fetish or not? I'm leaning towards yes considering how long they held the particular shot for and how they even give it a cutaway.

Leaving this up to Kyon strikes me as a horribly bad idea. The way this guy meanders and gets all introspective I can see why there's still another 40 minutes left to this movie.

Finally made it to the two hour mark and I guess I'm ready for the finale. Right now I'm thinking that it's not so much Disappearance that is the highlight of this franchise so much as any part surrounding the events that took place during the Tanabata Festival and Kyon getting a chance to be the anime equivalent Marty Mcfly. Going to take one more break and then come back to finish this off once and for all.

Alright let's finish this off:

Spoiler for From the 2 hour mark:

Holy shit it was Nagato all along. Well hot damn. This was actually the only real option in the book so I saw this plot twist coming even the first time I read it but whatever.

Anyway so Yuki used THE POWER to alter the world and erase the Data Entity (not even going to get into how this seems to contradict everything we've been told about Haruhi, Yuki and the Data Entity's powers up until now, which is my biggest problem with this movies plot) and all so that Kyon could catch a break from all of this insanity. What a gal....but if she's so advanced a being wouldn't she have realized that this would have caused him even more distress anyway? Good god this plot....

Kyoani glamour shots of the sky just because.....

I'm assuming I'm supposed to feel something regarding Nagato's discovery of emotions, but it's just not happening. Nagato's literally been such an object up to this point that I just feel nothing regarding her "character" beyond her appearance and use as an exposition device. Nagato really doesn't have a personality so again why should I feel anything regarding what's going on with Nagato.

Kyon introspection set to stock footage. Been here before.....

Wow the part with Kyon talking to himself in text is a pretty brazen ripoff of the train scenes from Evangelion. Still the surreal visual symbolism being used is another one of those clever moments the franchise has on occassion.

Oh my god they just had Kyon proclaim that Asahina is a moe character inside the actual monologue itself. I'm going to need a few minutes.

They keep using that shot of somebody reflected in somebody's eyes, glasses or a window in this movie. They really are trying to impress with the visuals as much as possible, but to what real end?

WHOA AND THERE'S THE RANDOM STABBING! So it really did happen completely out of nowhere just like in the novel. Gotta get some random violence into this storyline before it's over eh?

This dramatic music and Asakura's smiling face is just making this whole scene come across as laughable rather than the tense atmosphere I think they are going for.

Yep that sure is a lot of blood.....

Seriously what is this...she's just spinning in place and acting all smiles and giggles. This is just ridiculously portrayed. I can't believe it but I'm in a toss-up situation between whether I prefer the novel version of not knowing what the hell is going on during this seen or this silliness.

Time Paradoxes.....

The scene with Haruhi by Kyon's bedside is one of the few parts of the franchise that I think shows any sort of progress in their relationship up to this point. Glad they included it. It was also kind of funny how they woke her up. Seriously you have no idea how satisfying and amusing it was seeing her struggle around in a sleeping bag and be at a situational disadvantage for a change. One of the highlights of the movie for me.

In fact this whole ending scene is probably the highlight of the movie for me proving that yes indeed Kyoani did once again save the best for the beginning and the ending while making me suffer through a middling er...middle.

And the world is safe again for Haruhiism. The End

Well that was overall pretty darn good considering how the first hour went. The first part as I mentioned dragged horribly and really made me question whether I wanted to continue watching, but it eventually got going and ended up being well worth my time. I kind of equate it to the anime equivalent of Avatar along with the obvious comparisons to Back To The Future Part II I mentioned. Gorgeous animation quality, decentish story with a few inconsistencies and plot holes here and there that make you question the whole thing by the end. Certainly a far way from the masterpiece it's been hyped as (no surprise) but kind of feels like my first summer blockbuster of the year all the same. Enjoyed parts of it, suffered through others, will probably forget about it soon enough.

[Ithekro]

Not quite sure how to take that...critic...of the movie.

[Ice Block]

Originally Posted by Kaioshin Sama

a few inconsistencies and plot holes here and there

Really? There were no plot holes or inconsistencies, just some possibly confusing scenarios. Lay them out so we can help you understand them.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Originally Posted by Ice Block

Really? There were no plot holes or inconsistencies, just some possibly confusing scenarios. Lay them out so we can help you understand them.

If Nagato is capable of altering reality so that Haruhi is powerless and she is an extension of the Data Entity then that means the data entity should be capable of manipulating Haruhi as well. Why not then just forgo sending Nagato and Asakura to observe her as an agent and manipulate Haruhi in a controlled experiment of it's own so that they can understand the nature of her power and what it means. In fact if the Data Entity is capable of superseding Haruhi's powers and taking them away from her then why even pay her any mind in the first place? It makes Haruhi look less important and threatening to the Data Entity then the earlier seasons and novels showed and seems to contradict what they said about her abilities in them as well.

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Not quite sure how to take that...critic...of the movie.

I can't tell you how, but might I suggest taking it like Haruhi takes daily life? Looking to be impressed but instead finding what is ultimately fairly dull drawn out and hollow fair by my standards but with bits of intrigue woven in here and there to just barely help me maintain enough interest to press on and make something of the experience in my own way.

Keep in mind that my expectations were pretty much rock bottom and that I wasn't buying any of the hype going in knowing all to well that just goes with the product and brand. I was expecting it to leave me completely out in the cold so the fact that it turned out to have some real merits during some scenes (especially the post-climax ones) ultimately made me want to call it relatively good. Basically I graded it on a curve, but it also helped that the animation was outstanding and thus went a long way in me giving the movie some praise.

[Game8910]

actually seeing Kaioshin say it was worth his time should be enough to prove the movie was successful in 1 way or another

[Ithekro]

Spoiler for Nagato:

I see. Though I would point out that being able to use Haruhi's powers is not enough for the Data Entity...They want and need to understand her power so they can use it for their own purpose. They don't understand why Nagato did what she did...it seems beyond their reasoning (since it was classed as an error). They might not even know how she did it because of that error.

It is not enough to just have a power. If their goal is to "evolve" with it, like Nagato states back in the first season, they need to understand how it works, and why it works, in order to actually evolve.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

I see. Though I would point out that being able to use Haruhi's powers is not enough for the Data Entity...They want and need to understand her power so they can use it for their own purpose. They don't understand why Nagato did what she did...it seems beyond their reasoning (since it was classed as an error). They might not even know how she did it because of that error.

It is not enough to just have a power. If their goal is to "evolve" with it, like Nagato states back in the first season, they need to understand how it works, and why it works, in order to actually evolve.

Which is why I said that it makes no sense to just let her do her own thing unpredictably. If it can why not alter reality a little and work her into a controlled experiment where they can learn about her at an accelerated rate. Keep pressing her into situations like Asakura was going to try to in the first season by killing Kyon and analyze the data.

And how can the data entity not know what Nagato did if she is supposed to be an extension of it? There's just something incredibly hard to swallow about all of this is what I'm saying. I find it highly doubtful that an entity that is supposed to basically be omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent to the point where it can manipulate the fabric of multidimensional space is somehow unaware of it's own abilities. I think once you reach that point of advancement where you basically transcend time and space you should have a pretty good handle on your own capabilities.

Plus if the Data Entity really somehow can't understand what Nagato did as an extension of itself (and I still don't buy that it can't) then it should really give up any hope of ever understanding Haruhi.

Let me go grab a reference book from my shelf because I want to compare this to contradiction in The Bible. Be back in a jiffy.

Edit: Okay it reminds me of The Bible where they could never quite decide on whether god was Omniscient or not.

Can anyone hide in secret places so that I cannot see him?" declares the lord. "Do not I fill heaven and earth?" declares the lord. (Jeremiah 23:24)

That's the kind of data entity the first book seemed to portray and the answer was no. Now though you're telling me it's more like Genesis 4:9 where

Then the Lord said to Cain, "Where is your brother Abel?"

Which is it? Omniscience or blindness?

Perhaps a better comparison would be to Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen though. Dr. Manhattan abilities while seemingly making him omniscient and omnipotent to the point where he could manipulate the fabric of reality were defined as having some limits. I don't recall anything of the sort being introduced with the data entity.

[Heatth]

Originally Posted by Kaioshin Sama

Spoiler for Movie spoiler:

If Nagato is capable of altering reality so that Haruhi is powerless and she is an extension of the Data Entity then that means the data entity should be capable of manipulating Haruhi as well. Why not then just forgo sending Nagato and Asakura to observe her as an agent and manipulate Haruhi in a controlled experiment of it's own so that they can understand the nature of her power and what it means. In fact if the Data Entity is capable of superseding Haruhi's powers and taking them away from her then why even pay her any mind in the first place? It makes Haruhi look less important and threatening to the Data Entity then the earlier seasons and novels showed and seems to contradict what they said about her abilities in them as well.

Spoiler for Movie spoiler:

I do not see why you ever believed the Data Overmind saw Haruhi as a threat. Yuki made clear in Sighs that they don't give a damn to what Haruhi does on Earth 'cause they will survive anyway (or so they thought before Disappearance).

For why they don't just steal her power, that is just not their objectives, obviously. They can take over Haruhi's power but that don't mean they will be able to fully use it, that is why they are just observing her for the time being, they have all time of the world, after all.

Other possibility is that the power can only be used by organic life forms, so just their interfaces could use it for them. Since two out of three we know have since gone rogue, I doubt they will rely on it.

In any case, you shouldn't be quick to say 'plot hole' without thinking on it a bit. I realize my second theory is too much reasoning, only made so Kyon action in the end of the movie don't become pointless, but my first one is pretty reasonable. It was said more then once their objectives is just to observe, no reason to think they will suddenly change their minds (although, Ryouko said it was a possibility).

Originally Posted by Kaioshin Sama

I can't tell you how, but might I suggest taking it like Haruhi takes daily life?

Too much bitter feelings eh? Anyway, I can surely understand Ithekro, you comments outside the spoilers were quite reasonable and well thought, even if I don't agree with some. The rest, however, it is filled with pointless sarcasm and mockery. You took the two scenes most said it was (at last) "great" and called it 'rip-off' and narmy without really explaining why. You should understand why people get annoyed.

Also, they way you wrote it in a fan-filled community was like asking for a fight. Even if you was correct, you should review how do you says something and where.

PP:

Originally Posted by Kaioshin Sama

Which is why I said that it makes no sense to just let her do her own thing unpredictably. If it can why not alter reality a little and work her into a controlled experiment where they can learn about her at an accelerated rate. Keep pressing her into situations like Asakura was going to try to in the first season by killing Kyon and analyze the data.

You fail to understand there is no real need to or that is not what they agree with. As it is obvious, at last some of then think on it, give the whole Asakura incident. However, it was never said they could (or know how) just freely manipulate all the want. They have no rush 'cause they are eternal, so they can just keep watching.

Originally Posted by Kaioshin Sama

And how can the data entity not know what Nagato did if she is supposed to be an extension of it? There's just something incredibly hard to swallow about all of this is what I'm saying. I find it highly doubtful that an entity that is supposed to basically be omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent to the point where it can manipulate the fabric of multidimensional space is somehow unaware of it's own abilities. I think once you reach that point of advancement where you basically transcend time and space you should have a pretty good handle on your own capabilities.

It was never said, or even implied, they can see everything Nagatos do or that she can't hide from them for a moment. Also, I don't remember if it was said in the movie, but I remember that Nagato had been put some restrains after it, so I assume that she was more or less free before the events of the movie. The data Overmind trusted her.

Originally Posted by Kaioshin Sama

Plus if the Data Entity really somehow can't understand what Nagato did as an extension of itself (and I still don't buy that it can't) then it should really give up any hope of ever understanding Haruhi.

Not a real plot hole, you know. I think you are probably right.

[Ithekro]

Spoiler for Nagato:

What the Data Entity seem to be after is the ability to make something from nothing. They can manipulate data extremely well...but they can't make something from nothing. Haruhi appears to be able to do this somehow. What Nagato did was not that. She altered what was there in a Haruhi like way using Haruhi's power....but she didn't create it from nothing like Haruhi does is making new universes.

Or at least that seems to be the explaination. One problem (or prehaps it is a feature) of this series is that we don't have all the facts...and we can't tell if the information we are getting, not only from the three factions, but even from the narrator, is in fact true. Kyon is not a reliable narrator. That seems to be one of the quirks that make things interesting. We don't know if Mikuru's faction is telling Kyon the truth. We don't know if Itsuki's theories are correct or he he's lying all the time. We don't even know if Yuki is telling the truth. I'm more inclined to believe Yuki because she even stated that what she says, Kyon might not believe to be true, and that their was no way for her to prove anything. Her style suggests she's being honest more often than not. This could prove false at some later date...but for now...all the informations we have is what we have...via Kyon. The Kyon who might be leaving things out of his story...including his own name.

[Heatth]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Spoiler for Movie spoiler:

What the Data Entity seem to be after is the ability to make something from nothing. They can manipulate data extremely well...but they can't make something from nothing. Haruhi appears to be able to do this somehow. What Nagato did was not that. She altered what was there in a Haruhi like way using Haruhi's power....but she didn't create it from nothing like Haruhi does is making new universes.

Oh, right now you said it sounds pretty obvious.

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Or at least that seems to be the explaination. One problem (or prehaps it is a feature) of this series is that we don't have all the facts...and we can't tell if the information we are getting, not only from the three factions, but even from the narrator, is in fact true. Kyon is not a reliable narrator. That seems to be one of the quirks that make things interesting. We don't know if Mikuru's faction is telling Kyon the truth. We don't know if Itsuki's theories are correct or he he's lying all the time. We don't even know if Yuki is telling the truth. I'm more inclined to believe Yuki because she even stated that what she says, Kyon might not believe to be true, and that their was no way for her to prove anything. Her style suggests she's being honest more often than not. This could prove false at some later date...but for now...all the informations we have is what we have...via Kyon. The Kyon who might be leaving things out of his story...including his own name.

That is why I hate people who call 'plot hole' flippantly. Even if it is finished, just because something was not explained it don't mean it is a plot hole. It can mean it was poorly explained, and you can complain about that.

Talking about plot holes in a unfinished work can only be done if the facts contradict themselves pretty badly, in a way it can not be fixed latter. It was not near the case here.

[keri]

Guys, we're getting into spoiler territory here. Might wanna stick some boxes up or switch to the other thread.

I've read the novel so I'm familiar with the plot, but I'm holding off on seeing the movie until it's better quality (the flickering of camrips is too much for me, so I know not to even try).