2012-08-24, 12:03 | Link #41 |
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I agree with The Small One. I think Coby will be Luffy's Garp. Rogers and Garp shared special friendship for each other. Smoker and Luffy have respect and understanding. But Coby and Luffy have more of a friendship developed. What Rayleigh was to Luffy for training, Garp will be to Coby for his two year time skip (If he trained him.) Before the two year time skip Luffy had only two things to rely on. His crew and Garp's training. I expect great things from Coby after the timeskip. Jouten I am with you on the hopes we get to see another side of Smoker that has never been shown to the readers. |
2012-08-24, 12:37 | Link #43 |
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Hey I am just looking at Garp's background. He trained Luffy, fought with rogers, and he is knowledgeable with Haki. Coby has proven he can use haki. Coby goal is also to become admiral. Has for Admiral level I don't think so. I would say Vice admiral level (Now were he stands among them I don't know). But I won't be surprised if he resembles Garps fighting style (Extreme Super Strength and powerful Haki). Coby will be what Garp has always wanted out of Luffy and Ace. To be marines. |
2012-08-24, 12:51 | Link #44 | |
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Smoker has been depicted as more analogous to Garp than Coby has.
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2012-08-24, 13:29 | Link #45 |
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It's true that Coby hasn't done much yet, but I think we are still in the building up process of that rivalry. Coby means a lot more to Luffy than Smoker does which should say a lot already. I doubt Coby will stop improving and if he doesn't improve to a point of being able to corner Luffy and have that rivalry at some point then I think a lot of story potential will be lost. I'm curious to see how much Coby has developed although I'm sure he's not at Luffy's level yet. But Luffy is also not at PK level yet either. It will take a while, but I fully expect to see that Garp-Roger relationship develop between Coby and Luffy before all is said and done.
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2012-08-24, 13:33 | Link #46 | |
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There are differences that lead me to believe Coby will be that garp. Smoker and Coby's relationship with Luffy is different. Coby has a deeper relationship then Smoker. Luffy impacted Coby's life greatly and they are friends. Smoker was saved by Luffy once, but that was it. 99.9999% of Smoker's life is his own doing not Luffy's influence. Coby has no devil fruit, but he has haki, and he being trained by Garp also Coby is more in line with luffy's generational age then Smoker is. Smoker is more like Ace's, he may be even older. |
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2012-08-24, 13:39 | Link #47 | |
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2012-08-24, 14:06 | Link #48 |
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A lot of it does matter. It's called story development. Story development is not a NOW thing. It takes time. You don't show a character like coby and then use him has cannon fodder. There is a reason Oda built Coby and gave him the scenes he did. Has for Smoker, what kind of friendship does he have that you could compare to Coby's? If it is fighting almost everyone in the one piece universe has fought with him. Chasing him, Smoker is not the only marine to do that. Garp, Admiral Akoiji, Admiral Kizaru, Admiral Akianu, Hina, and half the marines. Rogers gave his only son to Garp, because he knew Garp and trusted him. Right now I don't see that kind of trust with Smoker and Luffy. |
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2012-08-24, 15:02 | Link #50 |
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Heh, this debate got me thinking: If Coby is Luffy's Garp, then who would be Sengoku (who's pretty much Garp's surrogate brother)? Helmeppo? Hell, even Zoro forgot who he was, and that's despite the fact he nearly got him executed early in the series! THAT just goes to show how much he stands out!
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2012-08-24, 15:16 | Link #51 |
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Who knows, things may change later on. But so far, Smoker is definitely the marine that's been comparable to Garp in that he's been relentlessly chasing the main character of the story since the beginning. Like I said before, Smoker has been established as a recurring threat.
Coby may actually turn out to be the new Sengoku. I can see him molding the marines in his image on what justice really is. Seeing as how his dream is to become an admiral, he seems to be more ambitious than Smoker when it comes to the hierarchy of the marines. Smoker doesn't seem to care about that stuff. As long as criminals are captured/punished, he's complacent with the situation. Furthermore, I don't see Smoker carrying out administrative duties on a desk job; that just doesn't fit his personality because he likes to do things his own way. So that's another similarity he shares with Garp.
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2012-08-24, 15:30 | Link #52 | |
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i can see it both ways and certainly smoker is more there right now as you say, but story-wise, i think coby has more of a chance in developing into that garp-like character further down the road. as for helmeppo.. lol i doubt oda will try to mirror the past characters that identically, but who knows? he can do pretty much anything and make it work somehow |
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2012-08-24, 15:34 | Link #53 |
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No matter what happens, Coby can't fill the role of Luffy's Garp anymore. First of all it's impossible that he can catch up to Luffy in those two years. And the adventure is already half over. So they would have to meet Coby somewhere in the New World (which is already not very likely, because he is not stationed there) just for him to realize that he's again too weak and has to again get a huge power boost, to meet Luffy at a later point of the story.
And if by that time we're not nearing the end of the series this is just getting ridiculous. I don't even understand why people try to push Coby in Garp's role. He just doesn't fit that role. He might become the Garp of the next generation after Luffy, but not of this generation. I don't doubt that Coby and Luffy will meet again (also Luffy will meet Garp again, too probably), but Coby will just realize that he'll never catch up to someone to Luffy, but will stay true to his dream. I guess we'll see him become an Admiral in the epilogue or something.
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2012-08-24, 16:56 | Link #54 | |
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What is there to read? I gave you the difference between Coby's relationship and Smokers relationship with Luffy. You could not even give me anything that could compare to Coby's link with Luffy. Were this far in the story, shouldn't oda have done something by now to foster or hint at more developed relationship between Smoker and Luffy? Jouten You should ask oda that question. He is the one that gave Coby Haki, He brought Coby to MarineFord. He introduced Coby to Luffy in the very beginning of Luffy's journey. He gave Coby's inspiration to become Admiral. Luffy is Coby's inspiration has Shanks was Luffy's inspiration. With Garps training I think Coby will be a huge surprise for most readers. |
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2012-08-24, 17:13 | Link #55 |
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Is everyone forgetting, that in alabasta, Luffy saved smokers life and said to him: "You know.. I don't hate you. (:" and then smoker blushed and let him go free.
That's one of the biggest hints of their Garp X Roger relationship. Since the begining smoker knew that Luffy would become dangerous in the future. Ever since he saw Luffy smile at his own execution in lougetown. Smoker X Luffy is so similar to Garp X Roger that it's scary! Roger and Garp never have been friends like Luffy and Colby. Garp hated Roger, just like how Smoker hates Luffy. but im willing to bet money, that just like how Roger trusted Garp with protecting his child, Luffy would trust Smoker just the same. And to be honest, just like how Garp thinks the marines don't do everything the way they should, Smoker thinks the same way, from what we've seen in the result of Alabasta when the government gave Smoker all of the credit. |
2012-08-24, 17:35 | Link #56 | |
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Roger and Garp have probably gone through so many things that they grew to trust each other, despite not being friends, but enemies. Just how Smoker and Luffy could trust each other if the situation demands it. You're right. Coby got all his inspiration from Luffy. He looks up to him, admires him, Luffy is to Coby like Shanks is to Luffy. And that's exactly why Coby will never ever fill the role of Luffy's Garp. That role is filled by the guy who does exactly the same things Garp did when that other pirate was emerging to becoming the pirate king. Heck the whole Smoker-Luffy relationship is so similar to the Garp-Roger relationship that this is the sole reason why people try fit other characters in the roles of Whitebeard, Shiki, Sen Goku, Buggy, Rayleigh, etc. because now they think every relationship Roger had needs to be copied by Luffy.
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It doesn't matter if Luffy and Coby have been friends since the very beginning.
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2012-08-24, 18:36 | Link #58 | |
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Say what you will. If your reading Naruto or Fairy tales I would agree with you. But I don’t see Oda creating Coby just so he can fill a page. I expect that out of other manga. Coby has a purpose and I won’t be surprised if his role will be bigger in the future. Quote:
Interesting you would say I am focusing on Garp and Roger relationship to much when you are using it too compare Smoker and Luffy. You use Garp’s and Rogers past like its a guide line for Smoker and Luffy. Fact remains Coby is a Marine and Luffy is a pirate. There will be confrontations. Luffy has already fought Coby once at Marineford (Not Coby's greatest moment). Final note I don't get the strong connection feeling between Smoker and Luffy then I do with Luffy and Coby. I feel Luffy and Coby's connection is the same connection Garp and Rogers had (That does not mean the same experience). Last edited by grey_1960; 2012-08-24 at 18:56. |
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Smoker is the character that can most closely be compared with Luffy's 'Garp', as Blackbeard has explained above.
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2012-08-25, 09:39 | Link #60 | |
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Now I'm actually kinda hoping that Oda pulls a 180 on everyone here and makes the Jango/Fullbody duo the new generation's Garp/Sengoku combo.
Going back on topic though, I noticed Grey had posted this earlier: Quote:
I had touched upon this before, but Law can easily vouch for Smoker as far as Vergo's treachery is concerned. As a Shichibukai who also doubles as a former member of Dofla's crew, he can provide the HQ will all the inside info needed to prove Vergo of his guilt (though it's still questionable whether or not this will result in Dofla's warlord status being revoked, IMO). And yeah, I suppose that may indeed result in Smoker becoming the new commander of G5..... But personally, I'm more excited about the inevitable Straw-Hat bounty hikes that's guaranteed to result from this incident. |
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