2008-05-30, 22:09 | Link #621 | |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillot...outside_France And about the topic, C.C. surely have her role on Code Geass history, many things about her are still hidden, like: - What is her true name(though i think that we will never know that). - What was the contract that she made with Lelouch, we just know that she need him alive for that which is the same as nothing. - Her history, what is her relation with V.V., what Charles meant about Spoiler for Charles line:
Resuming . . . her real importance on the series is still hidden and will probably be one of the last things to be unrevealed, but so far, with what we have, just because she was the one who gave Lelouch the Geass, her role is quite big already. Last edited by Omega Zero; 2008-05-30 at 22:21. Reason: Forgetting the topic! :P |
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2008-05-30, 22:13 | Link #622 |
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Who said I was certain? I hoping to whatever higher power there may be that everything I think and say is wrong.
Alright, the Geass plotline is important to the plot to some degree, but the rebellion will always be the main point of this series. And the whole thing with Geass isn't likely to get any answers or explanations until near the end of the show. And since C.C.'s character and development is restricted to that plotline, she isn't of any importance at all until we arrive at that plotline near the end. She could just stand around and do nothing until we get to around episode 19 or 20. The fact that her role is restricted to that small part of the series unlike all the other characters, barring V.V. and perhaps Charles and Marianne. Look at anything that somewhat developed C.C. to some degree in season 1. Every moment there involved the Geass in some fashion with something about it being revealed. Except maybe all that Pizza Hut stuff, but that was non serious and unimportant. Now, if this were like season 1 then maybe they could just feature more involving her later in some upcoming episodes of they chose to, but they aren't from the looks of things. They have also been developing more of the other characters and having them take much more prominence in the plot like Kallen as well as some of the new characters like Rolo. What has C.C. done of any importance in R2? The most amount of screentime and development she may have gotten came in episode 1 with episode 5 coming in second probably. Other than waking Lelouch up, the only thing she has done of importance was telling Lelouch about V.V.. Now, most of the other characters are not involved with the Geass plotline at all, but they at least are involved with multiple other sub plots as well as the main one. C.C. is restricted to the Geass plotline alone and she can not develop as a character or do anything really without something being revealed about either Marianne or the Geass.
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2008-05-30, 22:23 | Link #623 |
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You see, there is actually a method to Dann's pessimism with Lelouch and Kallen or C.C. If C.C. ends up with Lelouch then Dann gets the pairing he wants, but if its Kallen then he can say to everyone "I told you so".
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2008-05-30, 22:28 | Link #624 | |
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Oh, and just before anyone asks, of course I don't know the truth but I'm confident enough to bet my imaginary internet honour on it. And why the hell is Firefox spellcheck insisting that "honour" is a wrong spelling? Bigots. |
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2008-05-30, 22:31 | Link #625 |
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I think that the main point of this series is about Lelouch's attempting revenge on his father for not doing a thing to save his mother or to help Nanaly! Since Lelouch started it all to make an world that Nanaly can live peacefully.
The rebellion was/is just a tool for that, sure he did noticed that this is not his fight alone anymore in the last episodes, but it still is his personal feelings/goals that drive him, it's not like he really care about Japan freedom, he just need an army to fight Britannia, it's nothing more than a "coincidence" that this will also result in the freedom and reraise of Japan. Because of that, i think that C.C., even if she is having little screen time, is still a big piece on the history itself! She is the main heroine after all! :P |
2008-05-30, 22:41 | Link #627 | ||
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Yeah, still to be revealed. maybe i'm wrong but I think the second half of the show will be about her and the geass plot, and about how Lelouch will deal with her and all of that. |
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2008-05-30, 22:50 | Link #629 |
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I didn't paid that much attention to the scene where she said her name, and i work with animation so i'm a bit unsure if we can trust her lips movement, but who knows . . .
I, somehow, think that the history will not end in this season . . . :3 Apart from C.C. stuff, there are a lot of things that are still in the darkness, dunno if 18 episodes will be enough for all of that, season 2 even added some new mysteries of its own. But very probably, this Geass/C.C. plot will be the last thing to be unrevealed. |
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2008-05-30, 23:13 | Link #631 |
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But hasty endings tend to be crappy!!!
And I, together with everyone here i presume, don't want to see an crappy ending for CG!!! >.< Of course, i may be having over-expectations for the series, but this is just the much that i like this show! The Elizabeth thing is funny, even more if it ends being true!!! But i also expect some name more . . . pompous and . . . fitting for C.C. character! Though i have no idea of what kind of name could fit her! |
2008-05-30, 23:47 | Link #632 |
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Who said doing that would be hasty? They could do it in a way that it does not feel hasty at all.
And Elizabeth doesn't make sense for me for several reasons, though the only one I'll state right now is that I don't think Lelouch would pronounce that name oddly like C.C. said he did. It isn't a hard name to say, especially since he is a Britannian. I expect we'll hear the name at sometime though I don't know when or how. I'd like to hear Lelouch say it again, but I'm not too hopeful on that happening. I also never got the comments by the staff about the name either.
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2008-05-30, 23:57 | Link #633 | ||||
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Anyway, ask and you shall receive. I shall "enlighten" you, though I would never use a word like that to describe giving examples to support my opinion. First of all, there is the big and obvious connection of the Geass. The Geass impacts Lelouch, Rolo, V.V., and Charles (Mao is in there somewhere, too). That is a common thread between all of them and, as a result, shows that C.C.'s story, in some way, affects them. Let's not dismiss the fact she speaks to Lelouch's mother and while that is a bit of a mystery, Lelouch's mother is a HUGE piece of Lelouch's story and her being able to speak with her puts C.C. right in the middle of that plot. I am just going to list two of the major and more obvious things for you, I'll just have to hope that suffices as enough "enlightenment" for you. I also think you're looking at everything at face value, which doesn't surprise me considering your clever ability of seeing, hearing, and reading what you want. C.C.'s influence on events doesn't come right out and smack you in the face, they're hidden from us, the viewers. Obviously, this is speculation and there are no hard facts to back up the idea that she's affecting things, but one could logically infer that. Just as, I suppose, someone could logically infer that C.C. doesn't matter to the story...of course, that would probably be the same as someone who was reading the play Macbeth and saying, "Oh, that Macduff...he doesn't really matter anymore!" But then at the end of the play, you're blown out of your seat because Macduff is the one who takes Macbeth out. Quote:
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2008-05-31, 00:32 | Link #635 | |
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That affects things involving the Geass, but not everything in the plot. It's not like she causes the events that lead to the actions of other characters besides Lelouch. You really, really dislike me, don't you? I don't look at everything at face value. Half the time I don't bother posting my entire thoughts on a matter because I automatically assume I am wrong or that everyone will just disagree with everything I am saying. I wouldn't say C.C. is affecting much else than Lelouch in this show, which is indeed important I suppose. Um, where did that come from? It's true that "honour" is a spelling I've seen before, but the one I'm more familiar with is "honor". I didn't mean that comment to be mean or insulting and I certainly don't see why it automatically causes me to be on the level of someone 6 years younger than me.
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And yes, that was without me knowing about an "Elizabeth III theory," whatever that was. In fact, I didn't know there was a fan controversy around it either. I just saw the episode and thought that was it. Didn't think much into it myself. You brought up a good point though; I have to remind myself that the Japanese have their own way of butchering English pronunciation, and Madame le Fay could be saying her name the Engrish way for all I know. Quote:
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As for the Green Knight...he's much harder to interpret. He challenges Arthur initially, but doesn't lash out at him in anger or hate. The Green Knight stands as a challenge to Arthur and his knights, but not a true enemy. With that in mind, the fact that the Green Knight is a creation of Morgan le Faye brings her motives into question. Does she want to destroy Arthur or does she simply want to dethrone Arthur? If it is merely the latter, she is very easily applicable to C.C. Not only that, but it makes one wonder, "Is Morgan le Faye evil?" Well, the supporters of Arthur would think so, but if you were on the short end of the stick, well, you see my point. Quote:
That's just it. C.C. has been around for a long, long time and she has the ability to grant a normal person an unmeasurable amount of power. When she gives someone the Geass, at what point does her hands become free of guilt? At what point does that Geass user's actions become his and his alone? Look at it this way, a thug on the street shoots an innocent woman. Do you solely blame the man who shot the woman or do you blame the thug AND the person who sold him the gun illegally? Of course, they are both to blame, but wouldn't eliminating the seller have a bigger impact? Look at the Geass as a gun and ask yourself when it is that you disconnect the Geass power with C.C. and start putting the blame squarely on its user. That's enough of that for now, I feel like I'm rambling. Quote:
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Yeah, man, Elizabeth is an amazing name. I'm told that I'm not allowed to call any child "Betsy" if her name is Elizabeth because that's a, "cow name". I immediately counter with "Betts", but I'm still told that is unacceptable. The world is against me on that one it seems... |
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2008-05-31, 10:25 | Link #638 | |
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From the outline of the story, I'd agree that it's hard to read him. Despite that him causing all the perils that befell Gawain as making him appear to be more sinister than anything else, one has to wonder why he did all that. The entire thing seemed like a test I guess. Of course, if a lot of what happened to Lelouch was simply C.C. testing him, then things would not likely end on a good note with them. Why dethrone Charles though if that were the goal? What does she possibly gain out of it? If C.C. was someone like Morgan, it's also possible that the legends and history regarding whoever she was were not all that accurate. I suppose one very well could consider that true, though I'm still not entirely convinced that the whole point of this is that those two are working against one another. Most of Charles' actions do appear to be centered around the Geass and the whole plan he and V.V. have, but I'd think that Charles must get something out of all this. I suppose you could say becoming the leader of a country and coming to take control of 1/3 of the world and more would be his reward though. Of course, being simply a manipulator doesn't make C.C. look very good from any perpective. I'm also not convinced that C.C. and V.V. have been around for the same amount of time. This is just a feeling, but I think C.C. has actually been around for a lot longer. V.V. is certainly her enemy in R2, but I don't quite think that her wish has that much to do with V.V.'s plan. Also, back in season 1 C.C. didn't seem to regard V.V. as an enemy all that much. She seemed to regard him as an annoyance at best, but not like now. V.V. had never done anything to directly interfere with Lelouch and C.C. and thus make himself an enemy until the finale of season 1. Of course, since those ruins activating in 19 are the main cause for Lelouch's Geass going permanent, I suppose one could say V.V. was interefering there as well. I'm not sure if C.C. was aware entirely of what had happened, though her reaction in 22 does suggest she was expecting the Geass to go permanent yet not that soon. I suppose the main problem with C.C. at the moment is that she is keeping a lot from Lelouch and that makes her very questionable in her motives since actually telling Lelouch more could in fact help him quite a lot in what he has to do. I suppose the fact that C.C. is starting to be a little more forthcoming is a good sign, but she still is keeping a lot from him. I was a little surprised when Lelouch wasn't at all angry that she had kept the info on V.V. from him when it was clear she had known for a while. That is a rather hard question to answer and mainly depends on one's own viewpoint. One could argue that all C.C. does is give the power, but that she has no control over what that person does with that power. For instance, all the people Mao killed as well as him going insane could be blamed partly on her since she gave him the Geass and such. Yet C.C. did attempt to avoid Mao becoming the way he became. She simplt failed in that regard though. With Mao, I certainly don't think she is not to blame because she is. I just don't put the blame squarely on her. Mao is somewhat responsible for his own actions even in his state of mind as is Lelouch. I don't do this with all my posts. And no I do not speak without completing a thought. That would be a rather idiotic thing to do. No, I don't often have people ignore me or look at me in the way you described either. How did it fail me?
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Not to intrude, but I thought I'd bring up a few things.
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By the way, have any people noticed certain similarities between C.C and Tear from Tales of The Abyss. Not only do they share the same V.A, look similar (with an obvious difference in hair colour) and have a similar fashion sense, but they also share similar behavioural patterns like being ice cold at one moment, but having strange fascinations with things they find cute and certain foods. Last edited by Kaioshin Sama; 2008-05-31 at 13:37. |
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