2007-08-09, 20:43 | Link #1041 | |
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Do you kill the children of a murderer, because of the murderer's actions? Do you kill the children of Nazi's? Do the Holocaust Survivors have ANYTHING against the children of the Nazi's? What have the children done? You're basically preaching, to kill off all future offspring, because of what the parents did. I can guarantee, without a shadow of a doubt, that Age would not follow someone like you. He wouldn't kill you, but he would not obey your orders, EVER. Not someone with genocide on their mind. There's a reason he follows D and her direction/path towards the future. And there's a reason she makes adjustments in her path, based on Age's reactions, feelings, circumstances, etc. Someone like her, is fit to be leader. Not someone like you.
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2007-08-09, 21:00 | Link #1042 |
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The thing is from what I can tell Roma Ro is using the destructiveness of the Iron Tribe as an excuse to wipe them out. If the planet wide purge did go ahead, then the Irons would have just given them another justification.
The Age universe seems to involve a lot more then just the Silvers, Irons and Bronzes, the Irons also need to win the hearts and minds of all the races that do support and are grateful to the Silver Tribe. Personally I think the last thing that humanity wants is to be installed as the "master of the universe" with everyone hating their guts and doing their best to overthrow them. I'm still in two minds about the whole contracts and Gold Tribe issue. Once the Yuti's contract is made known, then I think the Gold's motive will be made clear. Right now to me it seems like the Golds are the producers to a show called Battle Royal on a universal level.
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2007-08-09, 21:20 | Link #1043 |
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Its certain that Age knows more than he has been telling. He does not know every little detail, but the Golden Tribe has made sure that he knows the broad outline of what they(The Golden Tribe) said will/must happen.
I think thats part of the reason why Age is always so calm and peaceful(when not in Bellcross form) Its because he knows exactly what he is fighting for and that he trusts the Golden Tribe/Deaneara absolutely. |
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Anyway I thought about the political situation in Heroic Age's universe and it's not like the Silver Tribe is united about the destruction of the Iron Tribe. Yesterday I was quite annoyed by the Cagalish-retarded-sweet-crap I read around so I exaggerated a little with the genocide thing but my philosphy is one basically: destroy evreyone who wants to destroy me, talk and understand evreyone who wants to co-exist with me. The "peace party" deserves to survive, on Iron and Silver Tribe, while the "genocide party" on both sides deserves to die. This means that Romuro, the idiotic royal duo and relative lackeys deserve to die: during the war or after a trial. Even Yuti deserves that as she considered the other tribes just slaves of the Silver Tribe; this is a whole different attitude against with Age's one. |
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2007-08-10, 02:31 | Link #1045 | |
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But wouldn't it be a little more productive if you did this the other way around? "but my philosphy is one basically: destroy evreyone who wants to destroy me, talk and understand evreyone who wants to co-exist with me." Change to but my philosphy is one basically: talk and understand evreyone who wants to co-exist with me THEN destroy evreyone who wants to destroy me, Because I believe what D is implying is that the Silvers current course of action could be a misunderstanding. For example lets say Rome Ro knows that the Irons will inherit the Gold's power and therefore maniputlated the situation so that everyone believes that the Irons will destroy the universe. By your philosophy if people do believe this, then they have the right to wipe out the Irons. What D is doing is wanting to find out the whys, basically your second scenario. So shouldn't that make D a good guy and not a "Cagalish-retarded-sweet-crap"?
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2007-08-10, 02:48 | Link #1046 | ||
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Yesterday I was quite pissed, like I was when I heard Cagalli nonsense in Gundam Seed Destiny... if you watched that show you know what I mean.
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1) if it's only a party within the tribe then put to death that party (->Romuro and Yuti). 2) if it's the entire tribe who thinks to be highty and might then wipe them out because if you spare them now they will create problem in the future. Quote:
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2007-08-10, 03:07 | Link #1047 | |
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If you are on about punishing individuals for their role in genocide, then I am all for that. It was the genocide for genocide, (or enslavement of the whole race) that got me. I'm in an elderly folks area atm, and lots of the people actually were alive when the Japanese invaded China. Now the good thing is most of them know the difference between the people who committed the act and the new generation of Japanese. But every so often I meet someone who really does believe that the only good Japanese is a dead one and meeting someone like that in real life is imho really shocking. <- I am in no way putting down these people's experiences, just I never believe that the children should pay for their parents actions, which is what genocide in return for genocide or racial enslavement would be.
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2007-08-10, 03:56 | Link #1048 | ||
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So German population payed dearly, even the later generations, for the crimes committed by the Nazis. So what I'm saying it's not like is unreal or what: the dear Silvers guys why didn't bother going on Earth and talking things out with humans before launch a systematic genocide against them? Why humans must "understand things" while Silver don't have? And anyway they're quite cold-blooded: do you remember Titarros? They decided to wipe out that planet only because its tribe dared to disobey to the lords of the universe... Quote:
The world, for them, must be governed with peace and love anyway, without any weapons (->Cagallish crap). I can't stand this retarded way to view the world. |
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2007-08-10, 06:58 | Link #1049 | |
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Young people care about wars. Young people have to fight most of them. Young people are generally those protesting them. If your argument is about apathy, apathy is just as rife throughout the entire population of the developed world as it is among youth. But don't think that all youth is self-absorbed and ignorant, since that's not the case in the cultural movements I've observed. In the meantime, let's keep the offensive over-generalizations and hateful misunderstandings to a minimum. Ep 18 Damn good episode. It's not the first time that this show has been far from romantic in its depiction of war, but this has been that at its most raw. Which is good, since it makes for some genuine drama... although it does make the humanity (and its two leaders in particular) very difficult to sympathize with. I didn't much like this show to begin with, but it's been slowly impressing me more and more in recent weeks, with this ep being among the best in the series. Good to see it really trying to be challenging in its approach to what is ethical and what is not in war.
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2007-08-10, 08:02 | Link #1050 | |
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And anyway they only protest using obvious slogans and without proposing any realistical alternative... I'm sorry but that isn't protesting, is just pretending to protest for their purpose (anti-imperialism, excuse to not go to school etc). Anyway we're way off-topic here, let's end this. |
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2007-08-10, 08:05 | Link #1051 |
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The Silvers fear the Iron tribe for philosophical reasons.
The Iron tribe represent something that they truly abhor and are afraid of: EMOTIONS The fact that the Iron tribe shares a lot in common with the Gold tribe of the old days scares them even more Their belief is being attacked at its core. It's very painful for them. |
2007-08-10, 08:18 | Link #1052 |
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ah, all i wanted was to talk about Heroic Age, i really don't want to know what's people's personal opinions about real life events or some serious topics, if i want some of that, all i have to do is head out at the next general elections/political rally...
so lets just get back to the anime, and leave reality behind! :P i was quite interested about the statement saying the Gold Tribe was like the Iron Tribe, we can see why they assist them. they reminded them of what they once were. The question is, what do the Gold Tribe want? Do they want to see another race like them to inherit their position? or do they wish to forge a different path for them? As a side note, oh yeah ep18 fleet battle scenes was excellent. loved it, and i want mooooore!!
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2007-08-10, 08:22 | Link #1053 | |
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Indeed, and this is the first time we've seen one that lasted longer then 3/4 minutes. We should see an even bigger one once the time for the Silver Vs Iron starts --- though then we also have RAWR Yuti action to look forward to.
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2007-08-10, 23:06 | Link #1054 | ||
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I have nothing against fighting, and there is such a thing as a just war. But you must still be wary of becoming what you might most hate(which happens alot in Human History). I have no problem with killing enemy soldiers. But slaughtering innocent lives for no reason other than revenge, is insane, and dangerous. Americans in general, are not against war, and fighting. We're against senseless, or mindless, or murderous bloodshed.
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2007-08-10, 23:13 | Link #1055 |
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That is my main issue with them. As someone earlier pointed out, Age seems to trust them, but right now the universe is embroiled in a huge war that is costing countless lives. I can't see how the two depictions (Age's trust and events that they had a hand in creating), can go hand in hand.
Maybe there are 2 groups of Gold. The ones that wanted the Irons to have a fighting chance and the ones that wanted to leave it to the Silvers. But how does what Purome Ou says fit into all of this? I hope that this isn't the good (bad) old "must destroy the old, to bring forth the new" barrel of poo.
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2007-08-10, 23:54 | Link #1056 | |
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We know from what is shown to us, that there were six figures of the Gold Tribe, surrounding the sphere holding the universe. however when the Iron Tribe came calling just as they were leaving the scene, only two (or was it three? Can't remember and im at work right now.) stopped, and turn back to go see who this late arrive were. so the possibility is there, that at the beginning they favoured the silver, but then at the last minute when all of them were not there, those that responded to the Iron Tribe changed their opinions from the initial choice. its a possibility, and i said gazillions of times ,yet no-one bothers to comment on it. dammn you people, damn you aaaalllll.....!!!!! *weeps from Saturday Working blues*
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2007-08-11, 01:31 | Link #1057 | |
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Hope your work goes by okay
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2007-08-11, 14:40 | Link #1058 | |
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Anyway I think most guys here miss one thing: a war is different from a genocide. Bronze and Silver Tribe wanted a genocide, not a war against the Iron Tribe so if humans have to use that as well I think it's legit. Not because for mere revenge, but because if someone doesn't want to co-exist with you and want to destroy you there isn't any other choice other than destroy him. But as Heroic Age is a tv show and there are kids around it won't end this way: at the end they will find an agreement and they will live happily together. I hope at least Romuro is put to death anyway! |
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