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Whether it was done by the "good guys" or the "bad guys" doesn't lessen the degree of the act in question. The fact is Kira killed someone. His act in this instance was just as heinous as those "evil spirits". The fascinating thing about Bleach is that there are very few distinction between the supposed "bad guys" and the "good guys." Good guys in Soul Society created just as many "bad spirits" as the bad guys in the Hollow world created its share of "good spirits." As long as it isn't justified, it's ok to enjoy the act.
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2009-05-06, 17:13 | Link #62 | |
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The fact is he tried and he could. But as you said people may change so same thing goes to Hollows. they may have made mistkes while being alive, but they can change and have second chance. |
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2009-05-06, 17:22 | Link #64 |
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The bolded part is a misconception evil people =/= hollow . The most noblest of a human being can turn into a hollow due to chain decay . And SS encourages hollows .... Number of hollows == Number of souls, if the balance is drastically altered the the three worlds collapse into each other ( SS Human World HM ) . The quincy genocide happened for that exact reason, quincy kill hollows whilst shinigami purify them into souls.Shinigamis only hunt hollows in Human world .
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2009-05-06, 17:26 | Link #65 |
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Is it bad to kill for your ideals? I am not able to answer that question for anyone but myself and this is not the place I will be answering it
However in this one instance of Kira beheading the hollow, I feel he is justified...they are at war, he is an enemy combatant, and what is so different between simply stabbing someone in the throat, severing their carotid and jugular and beheading them...either way they die... yes Kira showed anger and arrogance again...they are at war, the balance of Heaven and Hell and everything in between is at risk, so killing your opponent is acceptable imho, I mean roseboy got killed and I don't hear anyone claiming how evil the other guy was :P...anyway all of these characters seem to operate under some Bushido similar to the samurai...it seems the old feudal ways are never forgotten, even in fiction.
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2009-05-06, 17:26 | Link #66 |
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hollows are not 'evil' spirits...i have no idea who is saying that but thats so incorrect that i had to punch myself. they're spirits who weren't led by the shinigami to ss. So what they have to canabalize the other hollows...thats the rules of their world. kind of like how in ss only those with reiatsu need to eat. besides when you cannabalize wouldn't they just get resurrected to ss? (thats a real question which i would like answered by the way)
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2009-05-06, 17:43 | Link #67 |
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I was saying that they were evil, because that is how it was explained in Bleach...no, not every hollow in existence is an evil person in life, however my original assertion was that all of the Arrancar and Espada were evil people in life and were also evil after they became Hollows...Grimjow is a prime example of a hateful evil man who only cared about one thing...becoming the most powerful creature in his world, he wanted to be King. Every story is filled with good and bad...the balance is the key...and I am not the one who decides those things
But since the human side of the story has never been told for these Arrancar and Espada, I can only assume that the most powerful Hollow were also the most evil. If you want or choose to believe that these creatures were kind and noble humans who somehow got duped or accidently became the most powerful of their kind that is your choice. Yes Aizen turned them into even more powerful creatures, however his evil does not change the fact that those hollow were evil before Aizen showed up imho. But as I said, some hearts change...on with the show
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2009-05-06, 17:45 | Link #68 | |
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What makes it questionable is when someone tells the mass, you should think like me... i.e. when you mentioned people shouldn't feel bad about the beheading because it's okay to kill evil spirits. The distinction between hollow and the advance forms of hollow is that the advance forms are conscious of their existence. They can make rational choices. Hollows eat things because reiatsu is delicious. Grimjow ate things because it will give him power. Grimjow did it by choice. Average hollows do it by instinct. Wait till you get to quagma state, quirk nugget, and etc.. Astronomy is fascinating stuff.
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2009-05-06, 17:51 | Link #70 |
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Currently all arrancars and espada following Aizen are evil, because to create ouken , one million mod souls ( 1 mill Kon's) have to be sacrificed .
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2009-05-06, 18:08 | Link #72 |
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Regarding Kira the execution/beheading was wrong simply because the fraccion was defenseless and at his mercy . Kira killed in cold blood and not in heat of battle . And executing people who are at your mercy is unbecoming of a warrior . As its a samurai inspired series even going by Bushido , Avirama had to live with the shame as a coward or commit Sepaku/Harakiri to redeem his honor.
And there is a dues ex machina at play here ... If Avirama had reverted to his original form he could have escaped . Yet he chose to remain in his resurrection form .
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None taken. I just wanted to point out that Kira's action had nothing to do with exorcising evil spirits and what not. He did it because he wanted to. We can only guess behind the question, why?
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As far as if Kira was right, this has been brought up before and it seems that it needs to be brought up again. "Killing" hollows has always been the right thing to do, this has been established since the start of Bleach. It was established with one of the first hollow fights where Rukia made it clear that destroying the hollow purifies the soul and allows it to go where it needs to go. This isn't some honorary warrior and this isn't a human, this is a hollowification that is preventing a soul from passing on.
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As far as perception goes, I'm not going to debate morals here, but I would think in, regards to the story, that the author's perception is the most important, as he is the one responsible for the story. Just my thoughts.
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Also in response to the fraccion being at Kiras mercy , in ancient Japan and other warrior cultures it was normal for a warrior to kill the loser of their duel/competition...yes even as the fallen lay there helpless...in fact it was expected of one to finish an opponent. Despite all the romantic ideas some folks have about warrior life, it was brutal and unyielding. Wrong or right in one's opinion, those are the historical facts and that is what I meant by a Bushido being honored. Quote:
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