2009-10-23, 06:30 | Link #61 | |
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2009-10-23, 06:35 | Link #62 | |
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I was talking about the killing, not the eating of human beings. ...And I'm not sure where you see cannibalism mentioned in my posting. xD Edit: Hm. Maybe I should have written "normal in our culture to eat the meat of animals". *goes and edits* But stilll... xD Editē: All right. I hope now it's not so easily misunderstood anymore. xD I think the problem was that the possibility of cannibalism didn't even cross my mind when I wrote that.
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2009-10-23, 06:51 | Link #63 | |
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2009-10-23, 06:51 | Link #64 | |
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Anyways, I agree with Kusa-san here. It's more than just a matter of culture imho. Yes, there are some religions that prohibit meat consuption, such as Buddhism. But I tell you now, there is someone who is Buddhist at work and he eats as much meat as anyone else would. The fact is that humans are omnivorous. It is natural for humans to eat meat as well as vegetables. Unlike certain other debates about what is natural and what isn't, humans' drive toward meat consumption is perfectly natural. What is not natural is eating other humans. Other animals eat other animals as well, but none of those meat eating animals eat members of the same species. |
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2009-10-23, 06:54 | Link #65 | |
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Also, we can survive without eating meat, while a carnivore can't. But... but... I just answered the question! xD
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2009-10-23, 07:01 | Link #67 | |
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Well, it's the way you said it that made it confusing. It's pretty obvious you wouldn't eat yourself |
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2009-10-23, 07:03 | Link #68 | |
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However, I do indeed believe that killing me is, morally speaking, no better or worse than killing my dog. And concerning the "natural" thing... There are a lot of things that can be considered natural we consider morally wrong, and there are a lot of things some might consider unnatural that we don't view as harmful at all. If we say everything that is natural is moral, and that everything that isn't is immoral, then everyone can just do what they want and no one can blame them, since hey, killing others for your personal gain and ruthlessly conquering other countries is perfectly natural. Edit: I have never seen my dog contemplating whether an action is morally wrong, because yes, dogs do follow instincs. They can choose to eat the fish instead of the bird, but they don't care about human concepts of morality, or any moral reasoning at all. Editē: OMG! I just saw the typo. It's meat! Not me! Meat! ...How could I overread that even when someone pointed it out to me? Epic fail. xD
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2009-10-23, 07:13 | Link #69 | |
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But that aside, killing animals to eat is by no means morally wrong. Animals don't share the same level of intellect and consciousness as humans. Besides this, we are physiologically made to eat meat for nutrition. While it's true that it is possible to gain similar nutrients from other foods, I find it perfectly natural and morally acceptable to eat meat. I will admit that the conditions some animals are kept in are deplorable, but humanely raised and slaughtered meat is alright (and tasty) to me. |
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2009-10-23, 07:26 | Link #72 |
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Yes, I eat meat
I am not the kind of person that stands still with what an animal goes through I've seen how a slaughterhouse works and have seen how pigs got drained and ripped from their skin I even filmed in a meat house where they would slice up the animals for consumers and restaurants I have many vegetarian friends who oppose meat and all that though non of them mind about my meat eating as long as I respect their house rules and don't eat it in their home. I don't mind lol The one thing I do oppose is the cheap meat industry, think of Mc Donald's burgers for example I like quality meat not cheap junk food However I do eat candy which sometimes is made of the bones of an animal, basically I don't really care if it made of bones.. I mean do you want to throw that away to rot? I find that an example of wasting food and out of respect for the animal wouldn't throw parts of it away in the trash Usually all parts gets used for something, I don't mind eating meat but I do mind if people kill an animal and only use a small portion of it and ditch the rest in the trash Out of respect for the animal whose life was given for a meal I eat my platter empty edit: I can see where Nogitsune is coming from, well a little, when it comes to the nature thing Nature doesn't have food stores where you can buy a vegan burger, nor does a wolf cook Also a carnivore's stomach doesn't handle herbivore foods well, the whole system is different However humans can choose between meat and non meats and pick for themselves without animal instincts but with common sense This does not mean I will suddenly become a vegetarian though Although there is a choice but not in all countries is that choice a logical one or a healthy one I could go vegan but I think I'd need medication as well if I do so because even now I have anemia, I would get ill even faster as I do now Also my father would kill me as in his culture adding meat to food is a common thing, nasi without meat in it is just rice with veggies in it What I did notice in this country is that I have hardly ever seen an obese vegetarian, so my idea would be this if you want to lose weight.. become a vegetarian =D not proven obviously but ti was just something that caught my eye But back on topic, in not every country you have the possibility to become a vegetarian. As a vegetarian Africa is the last place you'd wanna be, the tribe folk there kill goats by hand, drink their blood and use each part of the animal (the Chinese do this with snakes and make tea from the blood) There were TV shows of Dutch families going there to "swap living style" and the daughters were vegetarian, however there is not a vegetable around in that area and those people live of meat. those poor spoiled girls were horrified I'm not saying that being a vegetarian automatically makes you spoiled but in a situation like that where you have no choice but to eat meat I simply think it is better to think about survival and respect the animal that just died instead of screaming "inhumane" while waving the corpse off as a pest and not eating anything at all Last edited by -KarumA-; 2009-10-23 at 07:43. |
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2009-10-23, 07:39 | Link #74 |
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I don't even know of a store to get horse meat from, my neighbor has horses but I don't think he will let me eat any of them. What does it taste like? And I didn't know that people ate kangaroo, I guess I thought they were and endangered species.
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2009-10-23, 07:42 | Link #75 | |
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Edit: I have no problem with people who choose not to eat meat, or even animal products. It's their right to eat however they choose. However, I don't think eating meat is morally wrong and I express my opinion thus. |
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2009-10-23, 07:47 | Link #76 | |
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and yes it does happen in some countries However there is also the religious factor, the human race has always been seen supreme to anything else This is one of the pointers why it is seen as okay to kill animals I am not saying that I believe this though, I am merely pointing it out Because the majority of the world is still ruled by what religion thinks we should think and do |
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It's natural for a wild animal under certain circumstances to kill its child if it is weak, and here and there, it used to be for humans. It's natural for humans to be selfish and greedy, so why not ruthlessly conquer and suppress others? Saying something is natural is not a valid argument. And if killing an animal is all right because it is less intelligent, then the same could be said for an infant. Quote:
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If it's fun, and the animal has no rights, why shouldn't I poke it in the eye a bit, or do whatever else I want to to it?
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2009-10-23, 07:51 | Link #78 |
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Lol, I get it from local butchers. We also have fast food restaurants that serve horse burgers and it's called HOT HORSE, lmao. It tastes like chicken No, more like beef but sweeter and finer + less fat.
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2009-10-23, 07:54 | Link #79 | |
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However, just because a fanatic tells me killing women who commit adultery is all right, I don't have to respect their opinion. And actually, I don't think Germany, for example, is ruled by religion anymore. If anything, it's some Christian values that remain.
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On a more serious approach towards animals, they accept death and killing as a part of their life and food cycle, they see results and act accordingly. Now, having guinea pigs and torturing animals is definitely evil, but killing to eat is part of nature. Anyway, you've thought out our side too so I'm just commenting, there's no debate to start here. Whites are not blacks, men are not women. So what? They're all humans, racism is seen as a problem by everyone, the pack killing the wounded to feed the rest find it normal. Quote:
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Anyway, to each their own, as long as they understand and respect each other's pov, there shouldn't be any problems. Last edited by Kafriel; 2009-10-23 at 08:03. Reason: added a few more quotez for nogitsune^^ |
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