(L+CR) Hibike! Euphonium [anime]

[deadite]

I think it's good to note that when Kumiko was saying she could just die in episode 8 is a reference to Yuki-Onna legend where one is just in awe of beauty that don't care if it costs their lives. This implies Kumiko feels like she's being sucked in something dangerous yet can't help but be amazed. I never thought of it as Kumiko falling for Reina but was enchanted by the whole experience.

[BBOvenGuy]

Originally Posted by deadite

I think it's good to note that when Kumiko was saying she could just die in episode 8 is a reference to Yuki-Onna legend where one is just in awe of beauty that don't care if it costs their lives. This implies Kumiko feels like she's being sucked in something dangerous yet can't help but be amazed. I never thought of it as Kumiko falling for Reina but was enchanted by the whole experience.

Well, that kind of ties into the other theme that's been talked about here, the idea that Reina wanting to stand out and be "special" goes against the Japanese culture of waiting your turn, letting the senpais have all the important jobs regardless of ability, maintaining social harmony and so on. Reina dares to be different, to be her own person, and that makes her dangerous. Kumiko sees the danger, but also sees what Reina is capable of, and that combination is what's pulling her in.

I was having another discussion on this subject elsewhere, and I pointed out that we Westerners, and Americans in particular, might not realize the full extent of what Reina is trying to do. American popular culture is full of young, talented people struggling against the established order, trying to step out and show everyone how special they are. We look at Reina, and we see ourselves. But things other people have pointed out tell me the Japanese audience doesn't see the story in quite the same way.

Oh, and meanwhile...

Originally Posted by Akuma Kinomoto

I too would like to hear examples of what real school girl lesbians act like.

The ones I've known weren't all that different from what the other school girls act like.

[DragoonKain3]

Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

It's clear, but hasn't been given any emotional substance through the anime.

My point was that Reina 'loving' Taki romantically is the ONLY thing that can NOT be disputed at this time in the anime, but everything else can be. People were wondering why others can not see certain scenes as they do, which to me blows my mind considering the anime has left a ton of scenes up in the air on how you can read them.

Not really sure how 'emotional substance' figures into anything here... heck, even how much a particular couple is given 'emotional substance' is a subjective thing as well, which only further proves my point. XD

Maybe I'm just not an "osananajimi shipper," so I don't interpret continuing childhood friendship as being any indication of romance.

That I can respect. Heck, the vast majority of people hold the same opinion.

In anime, osananajimi don't often become romantic couples.

I would agree if it was any other medium, but childhood friends become romantic couples plenty of times in TV anime. In fact, my entire obsession with anime hinges on the fact that childhood friends get together more often than they lose in anime. Heck, I've made an entire thread dedicated it.

[wolfie74]

Originally Posted by BBOvenGuy

I was having another discussion on this subject elsewhere, and I pointed out that we Westerners, and Americans in particular, might not realize the full extent of what Reina is trying to do. American popular culture is full of young, talented people struggling against the established order, trying to step out and show everyone how special they are. We look at Reina, and we see ourselves. But things other people have pointed out tell me the Japanese audience doesn't see the story in quite the same way.

The ones I've known weren't all that different from what the other school girls act like.

Yeah that was one of the things that were a bit of a culture shock to me when I was living in Japan for a couple years. They are definitely a bit looser in the Kanto Region (Tokyo and Surrounding Areas) while the Kansai Region is bit more conservative. Regardless all of Japan acts as a collective mindset so individualism isn't something they practice regularly. Heck, PDA isn't considered the norm. Although I've been seeing 20-somethings holding hands more often now (at least a year ago) LOL. It's tough being a gaijin there much less very Americana

LOL, just lurking mostly but this debate is heating up like the Macross forums during Macross Frontier's initial broadcast run. THAT turned ugly rather quickly! Back then I was going under another Animesuki Pseudonym but nonetheless, I shouldn't have been surprised that the discussion would resort to the topic of romance. And I'm just here for the pretty visuals hahaha!

EDIT: Does anyone else get an 80s vibe from this series? I've been watching anime since the 70s and the 80s/early 90s were perhaps my favorite periods of this medium. The character design for Kumiko just looks like it belongs in something that Toshihiro Hirano (of Iczer/Iczellion fame) would have directed. If anything, this series gives me a feeling of nostalgia during that era.

-Wolfie

[bohaha]

Hallo!, the preview for ep 11 is up: http://anime-eupho.com/sp/

My reaction opening the website:

welp, I couldn't understand anyways... so I'll let my imagination go wild

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Ep. 11 PV in youtube

YouTube

https://youtu.be/ZyxdWg_SbA0

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[Takigan]

Spoiler for Giving this one the old college try as well:

Yuko - I want to hear it one more time, Senpai's Trumpet...

Kaori - I want to surprise Asuka, Asuka thinks that I can't move forward, [something] that I want to go.

Reina - If I win, I end up becoming the bad guy.

Reina - (Not Sure which one):
"Kumiko, what will you do if I lose?" or
"Kumiko, do you think I can lose?"

Kumiko - Reina...

Taki-sensei - Now then....Let's begin the Trumpet solo part audition.

[Soshishi]

Spoiler for ep 11 pv:

If that scene in the pv of Reina going right up to Kumiko's face to talk to her is not considered "yuri bait" than I don't know what is. Kyoani's smart though. Yuri fans are both a very niche market and a very desperate one for good material. If they see something that's just the slightest bit gay they jump on it and buy everything related to it.

Well anyways, I'm hyped. Looks like next ep we get some more insight on that little flashback we saw of Yuko and Kaori. Unfortunately it seems to be hinting that Kaori is gonna win the audition since Reina seems to believe she'll become the "bad guy" if she wins. But, she should keep in mind that if she loses Taki will appear like the bad guy since it'll make it appear as if the rumors about the auditions being unfair may have been true. People will start to doubt his judgement if Reina really does to worse than Kaori, hopefully Kumiko encourages her to do her best.

[chaosprophet]

Originally Posted by Takigan

Spoiler for Giving this one the old college try as well:

Yuko - I want to hear it one more time, Senpai's Trumpet...

Kaori - I want to surprise Asuka, Asuka thinks that I can't move forward, [something] that I want to go.

Reina - If I win, I end up becoming the bad guy.

Reina - (Not Sure which one):
"Kumiko, what will you do if I lose?" or
"Kumiko, do you think I can lose?"

Kumiko - Reina...

Taki-sensei - Now then....Let's begin the Trumpet solo part audition.

Spoiler for ep11 pv:

The last line from Reina to Kumiko is:

Kumiko, if I lose, would you dislike it?

Kaori says she want to take one step forward to become her true self. I'm not sure how that connects with the Asuka line. She wants to take on step further than what Asuka think she is capable of?

[Eragon]

Really, really good friends. Like, I wouldn't be surprised if they kissed. Its what all female friends do.

Spoiler for spoiler:

sarcasm

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Takigan

Spoiler for Giving this one the old college try as well:

Yuko - I want to hear it one more time, Senpai's Trumpet...

Kaori - I want to surprise Asuka, Asuka thinks that I can't move forward, [something] that I want to go.

Reina - If I win, I end up becoming the bad guy.

Reina - (Not Sure which one):
"Kumiko, what will you do if I lose?" or
"Kumiko, do you think I can lose?"

Kumiko - Reina...

Taki-sensei - Now then....Let's begin the Trumpet solo part audition.

I do want Reina to win. Because I fcking hated Ribbon implying that Reina got it handled on a silver plate. So there is a bit of spite in my sentiments.

[Salva]

Okay this was over the top. I thought I started grasping Reina but THIS, this doesn't make any sense. I'm confused. The hug was alright and I thought they established something but this… I'm disappointed.

[Soshishi]

You'd think after the show revealed Shuichi was interested in Kumiko that the baiting would lessen, hell probably just stop altogether, but NOPE. The baiting is only getting stronger with each passing episode. God dammit Kyoani my heart hurts so bad. Why you do this to me

Also, don't get me wrong, just cause I call the scenes baiting doesn't mean I dislike them or think they're unimportant to the story. I very much enjoy them it's just every time I see them my heart breaks cause I know Kyoani don't have the balls to make them canon despite how much they like shoving them everywhere and anywhere.

[spawnofthejudge]

Spoiler for PV:

Seems like they are doing the "band faces away from auditioners" anonymous method, looking at the :27-:28 frames.

[orion]

Originally Posted by Soshishi

You'd think after the show revealed Shuichi was interested in Kumiko that the baiting would lessen, hell probably just stop altogether, but NOPE. The baiting is only getting stronger with each passing episode. God dammit Kyoani my heart hurts so bad. Why you do this to me

Also, don't get me wrong, just cause I call the scenes baiting doesn't mean I dislike them or think they're unimportant to the story. I very much enjoy them it's just every time I see them my heart breaks cause I know Kyoani don't have the balls to make them canon despite how much they like shoving them everywhere and anywhere.

They are just selling a title. It's what marketing does. Really, you guys should just move on already.

[Eragon]

^ This is a discussion forum so, you should shut up already. People can and will discuss what they like

[night_sentinel]

Looks at the preview. lol

Seriously, can we call it bait at this point? Its episode 11 with 2 episodes to go, (I think?) 80% of the anime is almost over. The supposed "bait" is running full speed for a good portion of the show. Even if they dumped a surprised het ending at the last minute, they can never build it up to counter the Kumiko-Reina development at this point.

[Akito Kinomoto]

Let's just pretend Kumiko and Reina are just really good friends like KyoAni wants us to believe. Seriously. Let's ignore obvious attempts at bringing back this dead horse and focus on all the other things the show did right. Like Natsuki's hawtness, Asuka's mystery, the band drama, and Natsuki's hawtness.

[FredFriendly]

Originally Posted by orion

They are just selling a title. It's what marketing does. Really, you guys should just move on already.

I can't help but sympathize with your sentiment. My previous post of what proportion of this thread was devoted to episode 8 has, since episode 9, grown proportionally, exponentially it seems. I doubt that it will ever stop until, perhaps, long after the whole series has ended.
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Originally Posted by Eragon

^ This is a discussion forum so, you should shut up already. People can and will discuss what they like

You are contradicting yourself *. If you have a right to express your opinions on this (or any other animesuki thread) so does orion, or anyone else.

* I am not surprised at how rude, crude and vulgar some people can be behind the mask of Internet invisibility. Public morals have certainly plummeted in my lifetime, particularly with the advent of the Internet.

[Eragon]

Expressing an opinion is one thing. Telling people to stop discussing about things they like to discuss is another. My post was telling him/her to stop shutting down discussion about things he/she doesn't like.

One is not the same as the other. Your lack of understanding of language and context is admirable.

As for the * part of your post,