2012-05-07, 00:21 | Link #21301 |
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I wouldn't even have voted for Sarkozy if I were anti-immigration. He had 5 years to do something, but he only got rid of some Roma. He didn't kärcher the suburbs and nor did he do anything about Italy passing on its African immigrants.
All he tried in the last years was to prevent the crisis from hitting France until the elections, but even that didn't help him. I don't want to be in Hollande's seat, who is going to visit Merkel pretty soon. After that we'll see what happens in Europe next. Probably some "growth pact" along with the "fiscal pact". Rerouting some EU money so neither Merkel nor Hollande will have to lose their faces (which is more important to them than serving their taxpayers). |
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He accepted he couldn't please everyone. Which brings us back to "he got things done".
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2012-05-07, 04:19 | Link #21305 | |
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2012-05-07, 04:45 | Link #21306 |
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I applaud the French people's move. It was time for change as austerity was never going to work. It was trying to place the debt burden on the poor and working classes. The idea that if you making thousands of people lose their livelihoods and cutting program that help people them survive it wouldn't somehow depress the economy further is absurd. Most poor and working class spend most of their money which goes right back into the economy and their local businesses. Also job creators are far from only those well off, in fact I'd say that is generally the opposite, a lot of small business are started about it community by reality poor families. These business succeed or fail based on the people in the communities financial health. Job loses have a tendency to reverberate quickly in these places.
The idea that the more money a person has the more they'll spend isn't true. A person might spend more lavishly as they earn more money but they'll also save more and having gains in income from taxes cuts isn't going to make you spend much more, if any either. If you're used to a certain lifestyle your going to spend a certain amount as a matter of course. I don't consider this class warfare, more like common sense. The banks and investors are the ones mainly to blame for this crisis yet it seems the poor and working class are taking the load for their mistakes. If the government isn't willing to go after them directly and forcibly then these means are the best. The only thing I worry about is if Hollande is able to stand up against the status quo bankers and politicians from around the world who will try to control him from behind the scenes. Honestly I think the whole global financial market needs to be scrapped. It's a joke with countries just indebted to each other trying to stave off taking responsibility for their expenses. They need to find a way to forgive each other debt and work out a compromise. After that they can scrap the IMF and World bank; they were never anything other that an large scale extortion schemes anyway. Either way, I'll give you the Bro Fist France. I knew all those bad things they said about weren't true.
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2012-05-07, 07:24 | Link #21307 |
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What myth? Rich people don't make jobs anymore. They get more money? They invest it. Straight from Stephen King's mouth, a bonafide rich guy. I'm sure a couple of rich people create jobs, but aren't those the 1% of the 1%? And how many jobs do they make compared to the amount of tax breaks they get? If they get $1 million in tax breaks, do they then hire 200 people at $50k a year? Of course not. They might hire 4 people at $26k a year. If that.
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2012-05-07, 08:08 | Link #21308 | |
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2012-05-07, 11:32 | Link #21310 |
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No sense sir, when your government talk bullshit, if you don't go against them then you agree with them. He was their direct chief, and the chief always take for the subordonate.
It's bothersome we won't argue of this here, he lost, now there's the third round and we will talk once again in 5 years if we are in the Greece state, a better state or no change. |
2012-05-07, 11:43 | Link #21311 | |
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And the French are not in dearth of culturally close countries with less punitive taxation/regulations only a few hours away from Paris, as aside from Switzerland, you've got Belgium and Luxemburg, or even London which has so many French emigrates that it is rated as France's 5th largest city.
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2012-05-07, 11:52 | Link #21312 | |
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During these five years, he created a huge divide between french population that no one did before, no one. It's unforgivable and I'm glad that this man will not be at the head of your state after the 15 May.
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2012-05-07, 12:07 | Link #21313 | |
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In the US, there's a problem on both left and right - the left resists encouraging immigrants to integrate, the right doesn't want them at all.
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2012-05-07, 14:32 | Link #21314 | |
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i am sure a huge number of people form the pro-life camp is just waiting to help this young woman cope with her kids. Instead of condemning her for having kids out of of marriage.
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2012-05-07, 15:26 | Link #21315 | |
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Sarkozy was all about public service against private sector, jobless persons (called the "assisted") against the rest of the country. As a last resort, 2 weeks ago, he invented the "true / real work" which is done by the non-syndicated workers in an attempt to drive away the workers from the syndicates (which are not pleased with his politics) |
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2012-05-07, 16:48 | Link #21316 |
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US: CIA thwarts new al-Qaida underwear bomb plot
"The CIA thwarted an ambitious plot by al-Qaida's affiliate in Yemen to destroy a
U.S.-bound airliner using a bomb with a sophisticated new design around the one- year anniversary of the killing of Osama bin Laden, The Associated Press has learned. The plot involved an upgrade of the underwear bomb that failed to detonate aboard a jetliner over Detroit on Christmas 2009. This new bomb was also designed to be used in a passenger's underwear, but this time al-Qaida developed a more refined detonation system, U.S. officials said." See: http://news.yahoo.com/us-cia-thwarts...200836835.html |
2012-05-07, 17:31 | Link #21317 | |
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France already taxes the rich at a relatively high rate. Sure it can further increase the rate, but the rich also have more means to move their fortune beyond the reach of tax collectors. There is no guarantee that a higher income tax on the rich will have its desired results. I don't disagree with the notion that spending to help the middle class and poor will lift the economy more effectively than, say, tax breaks for the rich. But without a way to get more revenues, such programs will force France to take on even more debt. The Keynesian solution of spending your way out of recession works in the short term. But I don't know if France can actually deal with the mountain of debt created by this approach in the medium and long term. |
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Also, if we're going to spend money we don't have, we should invest it instead of just hiring more civil servants. |
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