Gundam Seed/Seed Destiny General Discussion Thread

[Fireminer]

Hmm... I suspose that it's a plot point.

Or maybe they don't mean the project. Seriously, shooting down battalions of MS and ships is a way to be labeled as "Ultimate".

And why should they know about the location? They could had catched only a part of the plan. If even Martian knew about the location, their should had been a war between factions.

[monster]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Lowe helped with the repairs to the Freedom Gundam, IIRC. He had suggested replacing the head with that of a GuAIZ, as a shout-out to the Zeta Gundam having its head replaced with that of a Zaku's. But yes, they've met.

Hmm, if you're talking about the chapter in Astray R, he didn't meet Kira there, although he did see the headless Freedom and caught a glimpse of Athrun launching in the Justice.

Originally Posted by Fireminer

Hmm... I suspose that it's a plot point.

Or maybe they don't mean the project. Seriously, shooting down battalions of MS and ships is a way to be labeled as "Ultimate".

The Martians never described Kira as being ultimate, although they did call him a hero. (That's probably the only time Kira has ever been called a hero. I don't remember if Flay called Kira a hero in front of that little girl.)

And why should they know about the location? They could had catched only a part of the plan. If even Martian knew about the location, their should had been a war between factions.

Maybe, but I would guess it's harder to keep a secret about experimenting with Coordinators on Earth during that time, even at Orb.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by monster

Speaking of which, does Lowe even know Kira?

I think you’ve read it, but here’s some little snippets from Astray manga I can find.

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This is early in X Astray manga during Canard’s rampage. So yeah, Lowe does not know Kira personally well, but he knows enough to tell others about Kira after learning from various sources by the time he arrived on Mars. Like I said, Junk Guild has a way with information like The Professor implied on that page (for example, look at Erica Simmons’ data about Kira on on Lowe’s monitor).

[monster]

Ah, ok, I didn't think to look at X.

EDIT: Who is the guy that told Canard about Kira? If it was Durandal, I thought he learned it from Rau, and Rau didn't even know that Kira survived until SEED.

[Yesman]

Generation of C.E. states that Rau was the one who told Canard about Kira.

[monster]

Originally Posted by Yesman

Generation of C.E. states that Rau was the one who told Canard about Kira.

Ooh, that's even a worse continuity error.

[Deadpool2000]

Originally Posted by Kurohane

The whole thing is pretty complicated. They had the most problems as a couple during Seed Destiny, but overcame them, and reconciled.

Don't get me wrong, I have no idea of them reconciling. I'm just pointing out that, from that conversation, it sounds like they DID break up for at least some time.

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

I just don't see how they could make another SEED storyline without it being a complete asspull. The main story has always been the conflict between the EA, ZAFT, and ORB, with the sidestories being around lesser factions that can't really pull off such world-spanning conflicts.

But at the end of Destiny, ZAFT is in Lacus' control, and we know she won't fuck things up with hidden agendas to destroy or take over the planet. EA's Blue Cosmos leadership was wiped out by ZAFT, as was the shadow organization that was behind Blue Cosmos in the first place (and a bunch of other wars, if Durandal was to be believed). Cagalli's back in control of ORB with her manipulators wiped out. There's just no believable way to instigate another conflict, not with Lacus in control of one side.

Well, things aren't so simple.

Even ignoring the fact that Lacus isn't really Supreme Commander, and it's likely the woman taking pictures and shaking hands with Cagalli, there is plenty of other options.

There are a LOT of powerful organizations with no leadership. AF and LOGOS most notably. Were one person to wiggle his way into that power vacuum... Eurasia is also both in shambles AND largely sympathetic towards Durandal.

It would not take a lot to come up with a new conflict. Just humans being humans.

Originally Posted by weirdguy

Well, he didn't believe what Rau was saying anyways.

in the heat of the moment, it is understandable. At this point, knowing what he knows, he should have figured it out. Desiny does imply he got all his memories back... Although it is all conjecture.

Originally Posted by Yesman

Generation of C.E. states that Rau was the one who told Canard about Kira.

That's an odd kind of canonicity...

[Yesman]

Originally Posted by monster

Ooh, that's even a worse continuity error.

Yup. Rau was wearing a disguise.

Also, Canard told Kira that Rau was the one who told him about Kira's existence, in Super Robot Wars W.

[monster]

Originally Posted by Deadpool2000

Well, things aren't so simple.

Even ignoring the fact that Lacus isn't really Supreme Commander, and it's likely the woman taking pictures and shaking hands with Cagalli, there is plenty of other options.

There are a LOT of powerful organizations with no leadership. AF and LOGOS most notably. Were one person to wiggle his way into that power vacuum... Eurasia is also both in shambles AND largely sympathetic towards Durandal.

It would not take a lot to come up with a new conflict. Just humans being humans.

I really believe that Eurasia is a prime candidate for starting a new conflict. And with ZAFT having ties with western Eurasia, it wouldn't be too hard for ZAFT to get involved should there be trouble there.

Originally Posted by Yesman

Yup. Rau was wearing a disguise.

Also, Canard told Kira that Rau was the one who told him about Kira's existence, in Super Robot Wars W.

Well, I suppose games have their own continuity anyway

[weirdguy]

It's better to not use games as evidence since they aren't canon.

[Washu-Chan]

Originally Posted by monster

Ooh, that's even a worse continuity error.

1. A wizard Lacus DustTM did it.
2. Video games aren't canon.

[weirdguy]

Indeed, games aren't canon. According to the manga, which I think should be secondary canon, reveals that it was Gilbert that told Canard, not Rau.

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Originally Posted by monster

EDIT: Who is the guy that told Canard about Kira? If it was Durandal, I thought he learned it from Rau, and Rau didn't even know that Kira survived until SEED.

Even though you can say it’s a continuity error, I still think that the guy was meant to be Rau in disguise by the mangaka. All the subtle hints pointed at him: the shades, the interest about bringing revenge to the world, and that swag & confidence are so Rau-like. Durandal might fit some of those traits, but not really a perfect fit.

Also, you can alwyas argue that Rau was surprised Kira’s still alive in SEED coz he told Canard to “defeat” him long ago. I know it’s a stretch, but hey, Gundam-logic right?

[Yesman]

Originally Posted by weirdguy

Indeed, games aren't canon. According to the manga, which I think should be secondary canon, reveals that it was Gilbert that told Canard, not Rau.

What manga and what chapter?

Mangas aren't canon, as well.

[Washu-Chan]

Originally Posted by Yesman

What manga and what chapter?

Mangas aren't canon, as well.

From what I've read, Japan's definition of "canon" is different from the western definition of "canon" (other than one of Japan's leading camera makers and electronic manufacturers ).

Sunrise's edict is that only animated works are "official", and everything else is "non-official", no matter how well it fits into the show.

Basically, treat them like the Star Wars Expanded Universe.

It definitely applies to UC works, but what about AU works?

[weirdguy]

Originally Posted by Washu-Chan

From what I've read, Japan's definition of "canon" is different from the western definition of "canon" (other than one of Japan's leading camera makers and electronic manufacturers ).

Sunrise's edict is that only animated works are "official", and everything else is "non-official", no matter how well it fits into the show.

Basically, treat them like the Star Wars Expanded Universe.

It definitely applies to UC works, but what about AU works?

Of course it applies to AU works. It doesn't really make much sense to just apply it to one universe.

[Yesman]

But what about AU works?

Yes. The policy includes AUs.
One example would be, AGE main series contradicting its side-story(in the side-story, Asem was zergrushed by Sid's repair bots, while in the main series, he got murked by Sid's beamspam).

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by weirdguy

Of course it applies to AU works. It doesn't really make much sense to just apply it to one universe.

Btw, are you going to answer Yesman’s question about the Gilbert thing or not?:

Originally Posted by Yesman

What manga and what chapter?

It’s still left open.

I too am interested if you can give me a solid evidence that the “mistery man” in the X Astray is indeed Gilbert.

[Washu-Chan]

Originally Posted by monster

I don't know about that. Lacus wasn't trumpeting change.

No, but I can think of the fans saying, "THANKS, LACUS!" at the end of the final episode.

But, I can think that Lacus may have this "cult of personality" (insert KLAC-related joke here) feeling that could be addressed in the movie.

[monster]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Even though you can say it’s a continuity error, I still think that the guy was meant to be Rau in disguise by the mangaka. All the subtle hints pointed at him: the shades, the interest about bringing revenge to the world, and that swag & confidence are so Rau-like. Durandal might fit some of those traits, but not really a perfect fit.

Also, you can alwyas argue that Rau was surprised Kira’s still alive in SEED coz he told Canard to “defeat” him long ago. I know it’s a stretch, but hey, Gundam-logic right?

I don't think even calling it a stretch would work as Rau said that he thought that Kira fell victim to Blue Cosmos along with his father.

Originally Posted by Washu-Chan

But, I can think that Lacus may have this "cult of personality" (insert KLAC-related joke here) feeling that could be addressed in the movie.

I don't think that fits either as Lacus was content with staying out of the spotlight.