Fate/ Series Q&A

[iamandragon]

He just want something different cool looking...all guys are like that...

[Prism]

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

red/black one = Enuma Eilish
spiral one = Caladbolg

I though the red/black one is called Ea(well, atleast thats what gil named it), but he calls out "Enuma Elish" to get the maximum output of the weapon's power.

[Village Idiot]

Originally Posted by Prism

I though the red/black one is called Ea, but he calls out "Enuma Elish" to get the maximum output of the weapon's power.

Other way around.

Enuma Elish normally, and saying Ea for full power.

Then throw in magical amulets/talismans/relics/artifacts to boost the damage of Ea even further.

Edit: My bad, its the other way around, Ea normally, Enuma Elish for full power.

[LCeh]

Originally Posted by Village Idiot

Other way around.

Enuma Elish normally, and saying Ea for full power.

Then throw in magical amulets/talismans/relics/artifacts to boost the damage of Ea even further.

But against Saber in ep 21, he said Enuma Elish instead of Ea.

[Archer]

That's because he wasn't aiming to kill Saber.

Enuma Elish the weapon that could split the world.... literally.

[Village Idiot]

Originally Posted by LCeh

But against Saber in ep 21, he said Enuma Elish instead of Ea.

In Ep21, Gil used Enuma Elish at a greatly, greatly reduced power.

At full power, Enuma Elish is several hundred times more powerful than the Excalibur Beam.

It's classified as Anti-World for a reason.

[Prism]

oh, lol i was reading the information from fuyuki...i guess then had it mixed up.

[Village Idiot]

Originally Posted by Prism

oh, lol i was reading the information from fuyuki...i guess then had it mixed up.

No I had it mixed up.

Ea normally, Enuma Elish for full power.

Sorry for the mix up.

[iamandragon]

I wonder...if Ea can split the world, why didn't the world end in the previous holy grail war? I remember Kieri wants everyone to die anyways...so why not say 'hey gil use Ea and split Earth in half!'?
There. You don't really need the holy grail for your wish Kieri.

[Village Idiot]

Kirei: Hey Gil, use Ea and split this world will you?

Gil: No.

Kirei: Why not?

Gil: Because I don't feel like it.

Kirei: By the power of the Command Seal, I order you to destroy the Earth!

Gil: Quit trying to order the King around, you mongrel-ACK! Someone's selling my Durandal in the flea market for 100 yen! *buys*

[MakubeX2]

With Gil's attitude, there's no doubt that he thinks the world's his property and playground.

So until he got tired of it or sense that he will lose it.....

[roan]

...because kotomine's real wish isn't to destroy the world. it's a result, not a goal.
read the last battle in heaven's feel.

[Darkside]

you guys are confusing me lol.

Ea is for reduced power and Enuma Elish is for maximum power is what I picked up from this.

That's fine, but what im not getting is that you said he wasn't trying to kill saber in 21 which makes sense, but he used Enuma Elish there instead of Ea... isn't Enuma Elish the super powerful version?

*brain fries*

[iamandragon]

Originally Posted by Village Idiot

Kirei: Hey Gil, use Ea and split this world will you?

Gil: No.

Kirei: Why not?

Gil: Because I don't feel like it.

Kirei: By the power of the Command Seal, I order you to destroy the Earth!

Gil: Quit trying to order the King around, you mongrel-ACK! Someone's selling my Durandal in the flea market for 100 yen! *buys*

lol good one.
Kirei probably had a good life in the last holy grail war...

Kirei: Hey Gil lend me your weapons

Gil: Sure. *Gate of Babylon* *smack* Take them all you punk.

---meanwhile, in the flea market---

Kirei: Big sale! Durandal and Garm and other legendary weapons for sale! 100,000,000yen each!

---later on---

Gil: Ha! As if you really think these weapons are yours. *Gate of Babylon Reverse*

---the next day---

Kirei: Hey Gil, lend me...

Gil: No.

[Hemisphere]

Originally Posted by Darkside

you guys are confusing me lol.

Ea is for reduced power and Enuma Elish is for maximum power is what I picked up from this.

That's fine, but what im not getting is that you said he wasn't trying to kill saber in 21 which makes sense, but he used Enuma Elish there instead of Ea... isn't Enuma Elish the super powerful version?

*brain fries*

It could be that the producers of the animation were just trying to dramatize things up, with the Excalibur - Enuma Elish face off or something.

Or, that Gilgamesh had to say Enuma Elish in order to use Ea due to the "technicalities" of how to use Noble Phantasms (the whole saying the name bit), but held the power back drastically.

Regarding the use of the word Phantasm:

Phantasm - a perception of something that has no physical reality.

Putting that definition in mind, 'Noble Phantasms' as a translation of Hougu, really does fit the context.

[iamandragon]

But they *did* exist in the past. It's just that they're powered up when they become a servant...

[Reppa]

Originally Posted by MakubeX2

With Gil's attitude, there's no doubt that he thinks the world's his property and playground.

So until he got tired of it or sense that he will lose it.....

Well Gil's king of the world attitude comes frome being king of the world. What I would like to know is when your 2/3 god and 1/3 King who is honestly going to tell you no?

[gammaoh]

Originally Posted by Reppa

Well Gil's king of the world attitude comes frome being king of the world. What I would like to know is when your 2/3 god and 1/3 King who is honestly going to tell you no?

The gods themselves. Or let us say they delayed their gift and waited for Gil to die a normal death.

[Hemisphere]

Originally Posted by iamandragon

But they *did* exist in the past. It's just that they're powered up when they become a servant...

In the sense of the skills/weapon/armor themselves, they existed, of course.

But the way the legends "improved" the Noble Phantasms to the way that they are used now, it transcends physical reality. So Phantasm fits it accurately.

Again: Phantasm - a perception of something that has no physical reality.

By saying that Noble Phantasms are Phantasms, it doesn't mean denying their existence - but rather, by improving on their purpose, they become phantasmic concepts.

As an example: Can you honestly say that Excalibur using a beam of light from focused wind energy isn't phantasmal at all? It has no physical reality, or foundation, to speak of - the belief on how Excalibur works as a Hougu - but due to people's hopes and dreams, it has become that way.

Noble Phantasms are not simply about being relics from the past used by Heroic Spirits, but rather, representations of how people believed in them, and being the crystallized essence of those beliefs, even if that belief has no physical foundation to support it.

[iamandragon]

Originally Posted by Erhjegel

As an example: Can you honestly say that Excalibur using a beam of light from focused wind energy isn't phantasmal at all? It has no physical reality, or foundation, to speak of - the belief on how Excalibur works as a Hougu - but due to people's hopes and dreams, it has become that way..

No...

I guess you're right after all...in the original creation Nasu did hint the difference between a Noble Phantasm and an artifact...
Still...before watching F/SN I would never believe any legendary weapon to act like a beam cannon...what's your imagination for an Excalibur before watching F/SN?