Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei LN - Archived Discussion

[whsie]

Originally Posted by bludvein

No reason was given for why Gram Demolition has a supposedly limited range, and seeing as how Tatsuya dukes it out with Masaki from long range not long afterwards(using GD), i'm betting there is some kind of miscommunication somewhere. I think they meant the range of the magic itself. Its scale isn't very large when compared to the flashier magics.

There isn't any miscommunication here. Gram Demolition is supposed to have limited range. Part of the reason (though there were other reasons) why the spectacle was so impressive was exactly because the GD was being fired from sniper range.

And btw, I can confirm that it seems Chapter 6 was released on August 10th.
The colored picture is Tatsuya vs. Tomitsuka

[blackwhite67]

Originally Posted by whsie

There isn't any miscommunication here. Gram Demolition is supposed to have limited range. Part of the reason (though there were other reasons) why the spectacle was so impressive was exactly because the GD was being fired from sniper range.

And btw, I can confirm that it seems Chapter 6 was released on August 10th.
Here is the colored picture of Tatsuya vs. Tomitsuka

Spoiler for Tatsuya vs. Tomitsuka:

Image disabled, but we know what you're talking about. Yes, a chapter was released in this month's issue even though it was said that the web chapters would stop coming in, hence our discussion.

[Chimurry]

Originally Posted by NoLife222

Spoiler for Story known so far of D7 chp 6(unconfirmed)::

-Saegesa twins and Shippou are not satisfied with result of the fight (both disqualified).
-Kasumi argue with tatsuya on the danger of their magic in compare to shippou.
-Tatsuya decline the argument.
-Kasumi try to argue again but stop by Izumi.
-Kasumi(or Izumi) thank Tatsuya for stopping the fight before it gets dangerous and left.
-Shippou argue with tatsuya that his magic will win.
-Further argument lead to tatsuya disqualified Shippou (winner twins).
-Further argument got heated and Shippou called Tatsuya "Weed".
-Shippou argue that his magic will defeat even the seniors. (Tatsuya)
-Miyuki got angry and Tomitsuka punch Shippou before Miyuki can ever act.
-Tomitsuka argue that Tatsuya is stronger is stronger even than himself and proposed a mock battle with tatsuya.
-Tomitsuka last 5 minute with tatsuya and land a blow before losing to Tatsuya.
-Shippou run away from the battle (unable to accept such large gap between himself and the seniors. (hit his head repeatedly on the wall until it bleeds)
-Kasumi saw Shippou and comfort him.
-That is all I saw from Baidu

Some are still unconfirmed so read at your own accord.

So with We confirm @AprilS previews post are on the money, So btw Tomitsuka saved Shippou brat from cold death?, I am sure even Hattori thought to hit hard this brat in order to calm down Her Majesty the Ice and Snow Queen.
At least one of the twins saw the mock battle between Tats and Tomitsuka?, I think Tats (and Seniors, but Tats ulterior motives are to protect Miyuki) purpose was to soft Shippou from challenging and troublemaker Personality based in believe inside His imagination by His power He should be at the Top Echelons of the Ten Master Clans and Top School Brass, this probably will have to take in account by Hattori and demote Shippou in order to cool down this guy.
At the end I see this guy will take bad this loss and feel shame by the power difference with Tats as weed.

[blackwhite67]

Originally Posted by Chimurry

So with We confirm @AprilS previews post are on the money, So btw Tomitsuka saved Shippou brat from cold death?, I am sure even Hattori thought to hit hard this brat in order to calm down Her Majesty the Ice and Snow Queen.
At least one of the twins saw the mock battle between Tats and Tomitsuka?, I think Tats (and Seniors, but Tats ulterior motives are to protect Miyuki) purpose was to soft Shippou from challenging and troublemaker Personality based in believe inside His imagination by His power He should be at the Top Echelons of the Ten Master Clans and Top School Brass, this probably will have to take in account by Hattori and demote Shippou in order to cool down this guy.
At the end I see this guy will take bad this loss and feel shame by the power difference with Tats as weed.

Tatsuya was also testing some new moves on Tomitsuka.

[blitz1/2]

Originally Posted by DarkDooM

I don't get what it is with japan and incest nowadays...

I know right? THere is NOT enough! There should have been an imouto and nee-san harem!

[Rava]

Originally Posted by blackwhite67

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Actually, systematic magic can also be applied to psions, not just physical objects. Take Tatsuya's duel with Hattori in which he created psion waves by applying oscillation magic on the psions.

No, you completely misunderstood the explanation. He used the principles of Oscillation/Vibration magic to amplify Psion wave motions and KO Hattori. That is NOT the same thing as actually using Oscillation/Vibration magic, or Hattori would have been injured, not just knocked out. Otherwise, the volume wouldn't spend so much effort across two chapters emphasizing that he WASN'T actually using Oscillation/Vibration magic, but that it was similar enough for the difference to be trivial. In other words, it technically WASN'T Oscillation/Vibration magic specifically because he was targeting Psions.

When Shizuku uses Resonance, the ACTUAL Oscillation/Vibration magic, they state flat out:

Mayumi and Mari were both thinking about the Non-Systematic Magic Tatsuya used to crush Hattori. It also utilized precisely manipulated psion surges to create overlapping oscillations.

To use another pair of his magics as an example, Gram Dispersion is a Non-Systematic application of his Decomposition magic and Mist Dispersal is a Systematic application of his Decomposition magic specifically because of what their targets are.

[babbo3d]

both mist dispersal and gram dispersal come from the base of decomposition, So even if he shows gram dispersal doesn't that still make it classified magic, as to why he used it isn't it because is a much weaker version of the magic jumomji uses.

[Rava]

Originally Posted by babbo3d

both mist dispersal and gram dispersal come from the base of decomposition, So even if he shows gram dispersal doesn't that still make it classified magic, as to why he used it isn't it because is a much weaker version of the magic jumomji uses.

They're both classified. The problem with using Gram Dispersion openly is that it also gives away that he has Elemental Sight. The problem with using Mist Dispersal openly is that it gives away that he's Mahesvara. Both will draw attention to him, but for completely different reasons.

[whsie]

Originally Posted by Rava

They're both classified. The problem with using Gram Dispersion openly is that it also gives away that he has Elemental Sight. The problem with using Mist Dispersal openly is that it gives away that he's Mahesvara. Both will draw attention to him, but for completely different reasons.

This. Gram Dispersal requires elemental sight to analyze the composition of objects. Elemental Sight is the real magic that needs to be hidden here and since these two magic go hand in hand for Tatsuya, Gram Dispersal is off-limits. Gram Dispersal in itself does not need to be hidden because it's a well known magic in the community (as is Gram Demolition). On the other hand, Mist Dispersion can basically be classified as a A rank BS magic. Use of Mist Dispersion will link the user to a certain individual.

Gram Dispersal is not a weaker version of Juumonji's magic (in response to another post). Its raw power is as strong as any A class magic (as is Mist Dispersion).

[waffler]

i dont understand why elemental sight is classified o.o

[whsie]

Originally Posted by waffler

i dont understand why elemental sight is classified o.o

IIRC, the military don't mind it being released. It's the Yotsuba that want it hidden. Mist Dispersion and Material Burst are off-limit because of military reasons.

In essence, this forces Tatsuya to work with his physical arts and Gram Demolition in public settings (i.e. his full arsenal in the Monolith Code Competition).

[blackwhite67]

Originally Posted by waffler

i dont understand why elemental sight is classified o.o

Cause it's practically a superpower and it would explain how the unidentified japanese strategic-class magician bombed China despite no movement from the JSDF.

[Chimurry]

Tats Strategic Class profile is literally a strong menace over the entire World, He just need a "glance" over a small water pound to made ashes a small Country, maybe medium if we deep maths on matter conversion.
The JSDF, 101st and Kazama understand very well this fact, if you people read again Vol 4, Retsu Kudou interview with Kazama will get better the meaning of what Kazama trying with sarcams to tell to elder Kudou, there We read Kudou said about Tats as "sucessful experiment" and not only that: even powerful one, but his perception was Tats was on the same level as Ichijou, Major Kazama clearing that far beyond his pride as Tats Commander, Tats on whole diffrent level than Ichijou and adding fact Tats situation is not "in the future will come invaluable asset" cuz Hes ready a precius 1 of the most likely 50 persons in the World with Strategic Class level, we can figure out based on current Tats abbilities and as I mentioned on top, He should be on top 10 most menacing existences in the Mahouka Universe World, cuz mobility, health, magic requirements use, intelegence and personality.

Thats why Tats try to keep low profile, but low profile for Him and Miyuki are whole diffrent level from basics compares to Shippou brat or any common person.

[waffler]

oh thanks for the explanations and is tomitsuka's power rare or common? it would suck if a lot of people could do it and they could all team up and beat up tatsuya

[Rava]

Originally Posted by whsie

IIRC, the military don't mind it being released. It's the Yotsuba that want it hidden. Mist Dispersion and Material Burst are off-limit because of military reasons.

In essence, this forces Tatsuya to work with his physical arts and Gram Demolition in public settings (i.e. his full arsenal in the Monolith Code Competition).

Military doesn't want Elemental Sight exposed either.

It's Flash Cast that's the Yotsuba secret.

[whsie]

Originally Posted by Rava

Military doesn't want Elemental Sight exposed either.

It's Flash Cast that's the Yotsuba secret.

My impression was that Yotsuba don't want Elemental Sight exposed and therefore the military must restrict Elemental Sight as well.

In a way, the 101st Squadron is renting the rights to Tatsuya from the Yotsuba. Though there is some latitude, Kazama still has to go through the Yotsuba for certain things (e.g. releasing the seal). The Yotsuba still controls the rights to Tatsuya and that is why the squadron has to follow the will of Yotsuba in matters involving Tatsuya. If not, the Yotsuba can temporary suspend Tats from working with the Squadron, which is what effectively happened after the Yokohoma incident. In the case of Elemental Sight, unless the Yotsuba explicitly grants permission to either Tats or the Squadron, Tats is to keep Elemental Sight a secret at all times. Naturally, if Tats is to use ES outside of military settings, he better have the clan's permission.

[Flere821]

Originally Posted by Seitsuki

Why does it matter if they're siblings or not? They love each other. Shouldn't that be enough?

Also I think there was an incident where siblings in some VN got retconned to Not Blood Related™ for the anime adaption and people got all pissed off about that, so it's not exactly an easy one way street either.

The difference is fans getting pissed and hurting product sales, versus 'the society' getting pissed and lead to government/s or someone locking your product down. Better the former than the latter, as it still means the writers/producers get profits. Making someone "Not Blood Related™" is a good middle ground to get the pairings fans want yet doesn't incur the wrath of 'moral guardians' for "corrupting the youths of our society", even if it seems to be a cop-out to fans. That's the way things are, unfortunate as it might be to some people. Majority rules, those with power do what they like and the weak deal with it, those kind of stuff.

Personally, I'd prefer Tatsuya and Miyuki getting together with a addendum saying they're not too closely blood related, rather than Mahouka's author 'rebelling against society' and get Mahouka series slammed out of existence for going too far and not conforming to the social norms.

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by waffler

oh thanks for the explanations and is tomitsuka's power rare or common? it would suck if a lot of people could do it and they could all team up and beat up tatsuya

don't know, but maybe he is rare.

he is a demon child, Unwanted child in his family.

because he is not good/ can't use his family specialist magic.

[blackwhite67]

Originally Posted by waffler

oh thanks for the explanations and is tomitsuka's power rare or common? it would suck if a lot of people could do it and they could all team up and beat up tatsuya

He's unorthodox in his family, buy he's not like Tatsuya. He has unusual talents if you consider his family specialty, but his strength is acknowledged.

[Seitsuki]

Originally Posted by Flere821

The difference is fans getting pissed and hurting product sales, versus 'the society' getting pissed and lead to government/s or someone locking your product down. Better the former than the latter, as it still means the writers/producers get profits. Making someone "Not Blood Related™" is a good middle ground to get the pairings fans want yet doesn't incur the wrath of 'moral guardians' for "corrupting the youths of our society", even if it seems to be a cop-out to fans. That's the way things are, unfortunate as it might be to some people. Majority rules, those with power do what they like and the weak deal with it, those kind of stuff.

Personally, I'd prefer Tatsuya and Miyuki getting together with a addendum saying they're not too closely blood related, rather than Mahouka's author 'rebelling against society' and get Mahouka series slammed out of existence for going too far and not conforming to the social norms.

Personally I don't see it being a problem at all. Romance has never been a central point of the series, unlike say OreImo or *cough* Aki Sora (the only two series I know which have ostensibly run into any such problems ever). As has been pointed out, for whatever reason the whole incest thing seems to be on the rise; the industry will always eventually relent to whatever makes money and the government is too busy going after lolis.

Not Blood Related™ is stupid not because *it's no longer incest* but because *it's terrible writing*. It's the same as Deus ex machina in the sense of "let's have this edgy tense scenario then all of a sudden solve it out of nowhere with BAM hey now it's 'ok' after after all". Miyuki could easily have been his cousin or whatever from the start and it wouldn't have impacted the setting one bit, I thus assume that there must be reasons for her to be his imouto (even if it is just for the will-they-or-won't-they drama) and throwing all that away for such a crappy reason just does not sit right with me.