(CR) Keikenzumi na Kimi to, Keiken Zero na Ore ga, Otsukiai suru Hanashi

[Stark700]

Keikenzumi na Kimi to, Keiken Zero na Ore ga, Otsukiai suru Hanashi is getting an anime adaptation. Production studio is ENGI.

Plot Summary:

The novels center on the relationship between Ryūto Kashima, a gloomy social outcast, and Runa Shirakawa, a popular girl at school. Their relationship begins when Ryūto has to ask Runa out as part of losing a game, and she ends up going out with him after saying "Well, I'm free right now, after all." They have completely different social circles, and completely different hobbies, but as they hang out with each other, they begin recognizing and even accepting those differences as something to bond over.

Source

https://twitter.com/kimizero_anime/s...62402205847554

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/new...-anime/.189482

[Frontier]

Gyaru romcoms are really in vogue lately .

Not sure how I feel about ENGI though .

[FlareKnight]

I guess this plot is coming back . Guess asking out gyaru as part of a punishment game is becoming its own small genre.

In terms of Engi I'm fine with it. They've had rough looking shows, but also some perfectly fine looking ones like Uzaki and The Detective Is Already Dead. So this could be fine too.

[BWTraveller]

I can’t help but wonder whether the “Keikenzumi” (experienced) is meant to imply that kind of experience. Would be nice to have a show that doesn’t go out of its way to make sure the heroine is a virgin.

[Frontier]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

I guess this plot is coming back . Guess asking out gyaru as part of a punishment game is becoming its own small genre.

In terms of Engi I'm fine with it. They've had rough looking shows, but also some perfectly fine looking ones like Uzaki and The Detective Is Already Dead. So this could be fine too.

I don't know if I'd call the visuals for that "perfectly fine." It had its standout moments, but otherwise ...

Originally Posted by BWTraveller

I can’t help but wonder whether the “Keikenzumi” (experienced) is meant to imply that kind of experience. Would be nice to have a show that doesn’t go out of its way to make sure the heroine is a virgin.

From what I've heard...

Spoiler:

The female lead is definitely "experienced" in that sense.

[BWTraveller]

Yeah, just went and read just the earliest parts and...

Spoiler:

Sounds like most of her past boyfriends were in it just for some casual fun. She sees sex as something you're just supposed to do when in a relationship, that if she doesn't put out her boyfriend will dump her for someone easier. A slightly less dramatic version of Meguro-san perhaps. Guessing he'll be helping her to learn to have some higher standards for both men and herself, showing her that the sort of man that would jump right into the bed or dump her for not putting out isn't worth her or any girl's time.

[Stark700]

New PV

[Frontier]

Originally Posted by Stark700

New PV

Looks pretty standard...and then she's undressing for sex .

The LN art looks so beautiful .

[Stark700]

October 2023

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/new...theme-/.200075

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YouTube

https://youtu.be/Rqhp3HWtyJs

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[Frontier]

Looks like a cute and cozy romcom .

Saori Onishi has really had a lot of romance luck lately .

[Kuroageha]

Originally Posted by BWTraveller

Yeah, just went and read just the earliest parts and...

Spoiler:

Sounds like most of her past boyfriends were in it just for some casual fun. She sees sex as something you're just supposed to do when in a relationship, that if she doesn't put out her boyfriend will dump her for someone easier. A slightly less dramatic version of Meguro-san perhaps. Guessing he'll be helping her to learn to have some higher standards for both men and herself, showing her that the sort of man that would jump right into the bed or dump her for not putting out isn't worth her or any girl's time.

I have no issue with that besides him protecting his own V card as if his life depended on it

[BWTraveller]

Originally Posted by Kuroageha

I have no issue with that besides him protecting his own V card as if his life depended on it

Kind of seems like a good idea to me (note I haven't read hardly any). When dealing with a girl who, again, believes that she can only be "loved" if she's having sex, it's probably not a good idea to jump into it. In fact, even after helping her to grow out of that state there can be some real concerns about how expressing a desire for sex might impact things. I'd say holding back is a good choice on his part.

Anyway, I just hope this does well. I'm seriously tired of seeing hate dumped on heroines simply because they're not virgins, regardless of why or their personality outside of this one fact. Not to mention that I've seen multiple stories where even a girl who's made a sex slave or prostitute still somehow remains "pure" when the hero comes in and saves her. It's just dumb and obviously done simply on account of a fear that fans will hate a heroine for not being a virgin regardless of circumstances.

[Frontier]

This kind of reminds me of Momo from Domestic Girlfriend.

[deadite]

Who is this for? Are they actually implying a highschool girl with a body count more than half her age is relationship material?

[Frontier]

Originally Posted by deadite

Who is this for? Are they actually implying a highschool girl with a body count more than half her age is relationship material?

I have no experience with the work myself but I think it's meant to explore the difference between relationships based around just sex and relationships based around actual emotional connection.

[deadite]

The last thing she needs is a romantic relationship. This shouldn't be a valid romance at all.

[Frontier]

Originally Posted by deadite

The last thing she needs is a romantic relationship. This shouldn't be a valid romance at all.

I'll wait and see how it plays out in the actual anime. They look cute together .

[BWTraveller]

Originally Posted by deadite

Who is this for? Are they actually implying a highschool girl with a body count more than half her age is relationship material?

I'm hoping it's kind of a message to people who say pretty much this. There's an awful tendency in the otaku community to see a non-virgin as "damaged goods" and not worthy of love. I mean, I've repeatedly seen series take girls who were forced into prostitution and come up with some ridiculous logic for why they still haven't been deflowered; you could be kind and say that the authors didn't want to put the heroine through this, but it's pretty clear the real reason is that the fans don't want anyone in the harem whose hymen was broken by anyone besides the MC. Honestly I want to see a few stories with girls who aren't entirely "pure" just to make it clear that it's not an absolute deal-breaker. I'm a Christian who values waiting for marriage, and even I find the things I've heard about in this regard to be seriously messed up.

Everyone deserves love and a chance at it. In this case we're not dealing with a girl who's cheated on others, but a girl whose first steps into love and relationships gave her some very bad lessons, who hasn't really had a proper relationship. In her experience, "love" is something that the man gives on occasion in exchange for sexual services, and he only gives it as long as she's entertaining. I'd imagine at first she was desperate to keep her first few boyfriends satisfied, but over time she just sort of accepted that "love" is a temporary thing. We're dealing with a girl with a very poor self image, who will date any man that asks her out because there's no real value in refusing. This doesn't mean she screws around on her boyfriend, just that she doesn't value herself enough to hold out.

And personally I think a relationship is just what she needed here. Specifically a relationship with a good man who really isn't just looking for something pretty to stick it into. She sees herself romance-wise as a toy that people can play with but no one wants to keep. I'm not entirely sure whether staying single will teach her to see her to see things differently. A man who wants to be with her to get to know her personally, to talk with her and enjoy her company without any rush to get physical, might just be able to help her figure things out.

[scififan]

The first episode's story telling is smooth and interesting. Maybe it is a good relationship lesson for people whose only hobby is watching anime.

The heroine is a gyaru. She stands out by her makeup and dress. She is not shy that she sleeps with her ex-boyfriends. The protagonist's friends make him confess to someone he likes, as a punishment game. He chooses her and expects rejection. However, she is OK with it and they become a couple. It turns out she is frank about her feeling. She has some romantic feeling about him. According to her, she was dedicated to each of her boyfriend when they were in relationship. Hmm. The protagonist is on his way to find out more about her.

Spoiler for off topic:

She could be one of two stereotypes of girls in Japan. The first stereotype a girl is finding a compatible boyfriend by sleeping with a guy first. The second stereotype a girl is seeking happiness but always has bad luck meeting sleazy guys.

The protagonist recognizes himself as 陰キャラ(Yin character).

About Yin and Yang, Yin means negative and Yang means positive.

People with a cheerful personality are called Yo-kyara'(ようキャラ). People with a gloomy personality are called In-kyara(陰キャラ). Japan pop culture defines a student's popularity by using terminology of "school caste". The student with positive character are considered to belong to the higher ranks and negative characters to the lower ranks. Yinkya means a person with a shy personality. Yokya has a bright personality and is good at socializing with people, and following latest trends and fashion.