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2011-07-24, 00:40 | Link #15102 | |
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That could cost them a great many votes. Edit: It's already happening, but I would give my right arm to drive a wedge between the GOP and the Angry For No Reason Party--er, I mean the Tea Party. My friend Audrey really described it best. The Tea Party supporters are essentially living anger. Rage given flesh. They are not angry at anything or anyone--they are simply physically manifest rage and hatred. This is why Faux News was able to hijack them so easily, and this is why they're completely ineffective without a puppetmaster pulling the strings.
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2011-07-24, 01:46 | Link #15103 | |
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2011-07-24, 02:59 | Link #15105 | |
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2011-07-24, 04:18 | Link #15106 | ||
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I think China's copying of other people's technology seriously needs to stop - why copypasta something you don't understand, and it results in the death of many?
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China inspects electronics stores after fake Apple shops report Quote:
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2011-07-24, 09:55 | Link #15109 | |
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Now I did not really understand how this is even possible (considering that the differences in maximum speed that is Velaro E: train achieved a top speed of 403.7 km/h; Velaro CN aka CRH3: CRH3C reached a top speed of 394.3 km/h). I mean in Spain the maximum service speed is 350 km/h and in China despite a wider body and more mass 350 km/h too. There is even a more tuned up version available now with a service speed of 380 km/h the CRH380B + CRH380BL which reached a top speed of 487.3 km/h. I don't want to be pessimistic, but I doubt the overall design was allround strengthend and adapted to deal with the extra power. In Germany the design was simulated and stress tested for a maximum service speed of 330 km/h (imo a service speed of 350km/h means that the technological safety margins of the design are at its limits). I wonder how long this new variant can be operated at 380 km/h before the first serious accident occurs. Another indicator that the chinese railway is rather lax with safety are the security systems of the trainsets: Velaro E: ETCS (Level 2), STM-LZB80, ASFA Velaro D (future german version aka ICX): ETCS, LZB, PZB, TBL 1/2, TVM, ATB, KVB Velaro CN: ETCS (Level 1)
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2011-07-24, 10:57 | Link #15111 | |
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The TEAparty of 2010-2011 is not the TEAparty of 2007-2008. Ron Paul and Glenn Beck have as much in common with each other as Joe Stalin and FDR did, which is to say, they both may be fighting against the same thing (the current money system/Federal Reserve) but for different reasons and with different agendas in mind. Ron Paul is a Classical Liberal, while Glenn Beck, FoxNews, and the Koch Bros are Corporatists. Those two are mutually exclusive of each other since Liberalism is concerned with the rights and welfare of individuals and Corporatism is only concerned with the advance of the power and wealth of the corporate groups.
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2011-07-24, 11:17 | Link #15112 |
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As I said, it's already happened. It didn't generate much backlash. Maybe backlash will begin next week, after the August 2nd cutoff or when some other compromise is made (yeah, as if the republicans in congress will allow that).
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2011-07-24, 11:24 | Link #15113 | |
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@Jinto
The trains that are involved in the tragical accident is not really "high speed". Quote from BBC: Quote:
@SaintessHeart why copypasta something YOU don't understand, and twist it to fits your own biased narrative? Are you claiming that China has no technology to run trains up to 160 km/h? The problem as far as we see, there is either a big hole in the administrative system or there was a huge human error, and the damn government tries to cover everything up. Although there are technological reasons involved in this incident (like why the first train lost its power, the official reason is the thunder storm, which many people are questioning), but most of the clue points to the a human error. The first train has stopped on its track for some time. There is no reason why the second train was not informed, why all signals fails to prevent such an tragedy. The captain of the second train died in the incident, chest pierced by something. The damn government tries to cover up everything. All of the incident was chalked up to the thunderstorm, the head of the Shanghai Railway Bureau was fired before anything was clear (scrape goat). There are also rumor that the propaganda office instructed that all the news media to focus on the "heroic aspect of the rescue", and less on the cause of the incident. There is also photos showing evidence that the government officials who are "on the spot to command the rescue operation" actually dined at the top restaurant in the nearby city. It bring out the most ugly side of the government, which is disgusting. Central China Television "currently, many of the injured do not have enough cash, so most of the medical fees are paid by the hospital...". WTF!!!!!! Edit: someone posted the following in Baidu, which I think it is most likely the truth. Spoiler it because it is in Chinese. Spoiler for reason:
Basically, almost all the safety precautions are ignored. The computer system was overridden. The previous incident on the Shanghai-beijing line by another thunderstorm caused an up-roar in China, so they were under a lot of pressure to run the trains even if the computer says no. Last edited by Tom Bombadil; 2011-07-24 at 13:37. |
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2011-07-24, 19:09 | Link #15114 | |
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Germany gives Libyan rebels 100 million euros (144 million American Dollars) for 'humanitarian purposes'.
Link to CNN story here: http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa...html?hpt=hp_t2 Quote:
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2011-07-24, 19:14 | Link #15115 |
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Would that be classified as a "seeing where the winds were going" move by the German government? Making nice with the rebels who are becoming more likely to win and thus will be able to pay back the loan...somehow (money or trade).
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2011-07-24, 19:19 | Link #15116 |
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Come to think of it, a potential Greek default would have made the Euro useless in the long run - nice way to dump something that would have lost most of its value in the future, then requesting something physical back.
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They just changed bits so they could pass them off as domestic patents - and the changes are fatal; what I meant was that the technology used to build the trains could be blind copies or cut-and-paste from various tech with little or no quality control. Quote:
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2011-07-24, 20:53 | Link #15118 | |
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Not really a timeline, but China did develop their high-speed rail with actual foreign help. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-10792465
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The train that was hit was CHR1-046B, the CHR1 is a series developed in joint venture with Bombardier, a Canadian company. Flipping through news archives, there seem to be issues with Chinese firms redesigning components to avoid paying patents after (or before) joint ventures fall apart. Whether these components were the issue will be made more clear in time. Since there was a thunderstorm, there might have been issues like a transformer linked to that stretch being hit, or something crap hitting the carriages and disrupting the overhead power lines there, but it might have just been the more mundane spotty power that seems to be an existing issue with their HSR systems. |
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2011-07-24, 22:53 | Link #15119 |
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China sacks 3 senior officials after train crash
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...76M26T20110725 Is it me or a fews years back they would had end up with a bullet in their head insted to being just sacked ?
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2011-07-24, 23:12 | Link #15120 | |
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