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I can't quite remember why they decided to sideline Shinn as the main character though and, at first, he seemed to be okay, especially with Athrun there as a mentor of sorts, considering his own experiences. It was really only AFTER Kira was put back into the spotlight did Shinn's character suddenly take a total nosedive, and even more so after Athrun leaves ZAFT again, leaving no one to truly keep Shinn open-minded about things, letting Rey and Dullindal easily manipulate him like a puppet. The main problem with your assessment on comparing Shinn and Kamille, at least. is that, unlike Shinn (most of the time), Kamille may start out whiny, immature, stubborn, insubordinate, etc, BUT he actually learns and develops from his experiences as the series progresses to the point where he actually becomes respectable and you DO end up rooting for him in the end. It's why he fits as the new main character (and even compared to Amuro by Char) since Amuro went through similar, yet also different, experiences that developed him in similar ways.
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2013-11-27, 23:33 | Link #522 | |
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I felt that he got too absorbed in his revenge that he became, as you said, a puppet. Athrun and Cagalli weren't decisive in the second season, leading to dismaying performances. SEED and Destiny started something which I didn't quite agree with though and that was taking the effort to spare the enemy. I'm not saying violence is the answer but to go all the way to not kill the enemy, seemed too idealistic. |
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All in all, I think SEED/Destiny is very tame in this regard. |
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2013-11-28, 01:18 | Link #527 | |
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I do love the references made to various series in it too, and even having Ramba Ral's original VA doing "Mr. Ral's" voice, lol.
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Zeta Gundam Original 08th MS Team ZZ Gundam Gundam 00 0080 War in the Pocket Gundam SEED CCA Turn A Gundam Gundam Build Fighters G Gundam (from what ive seen) Gundam Wing Still watching 0083: Stardust Memory and have yet to watch After War Gundam X, Victory Gundam, Gundam F91, AGE, and am waiting until Unicorn finishes so I can watch it in one go (since the first ep showed tons of promise). I never understood how people can like Gundam Wing. It's definitely the worst Gundam yet, completely riddled with plot holes, bad politics, and overpowered mechs. I swear the only people who like this are the ones who watched it growing up when it was on Toonami and simply have a nostalgic attachment to it.
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I love Wing. Sure it was my first Gundam and responsible for getting me back into anime, but after I rewatch it recently, I like it even more. To me is the series that has the best use of the "are we really the good guys?" plot line. When 00 tried to do it, they immediately copped out.
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2014-02-09, 16:31 | Link #533 | |
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2014-02-09, 16:39 | Link #534 | |
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Then act 3 comes in with people who want to destroy the Earth and it becomes clear to them that they are the good guys. Act 3 is my least favorite part of Wing, but the first two more than makes up for it. |
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Wing also comes off as "better" really because the entire series is focused on a very small number of people, officially, only over the course of 1 1/2 conflicts. whereas the UC era shifts from one group to another pretty much every series and the era as a whole, from 0079 to 0153, is one large story rather than it being one story for the entire era, so you also get many different points of view, each one with their own credibility, as opposed to one "main" one that you're "supposed to" root for.
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I've only seen a small portion of the UC series, but I've never seen them without something to protect, whether it just their friends or crew. During the second of of Wing, the pilots lose everything. Their Gundam, their support, even their leaders. They are left to wonder who and how they should fight next, or if they should even continue fighting at all, some of them even gets shots at seemingly normal lives away from the battle field.
A lot of people complain that Wing is too "political", but I'm fine with that two, the power-struggle in Wing's world politics is just as gray as the main pilot's morale. Also, is UC (which encompasses several series, OVAs, and movies) versus Wing which is one series and one movie. I would much rather stick with Wing. |
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Wing isn't that political really as opposed to idealistic ("total pacifism", "justice", "perfect warriors", etc.). UC has a bit of both; sometimes separate, sometimes intertwined.
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2014-02-09, 17:26 | Link #538 | |
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Wing's concept pacifism during the TV show is not completely idealistic, as even the Sanc Kingdom kept mobile suits ready for when their ready. I had more problems with the one in Endless Waltz which seemed to imply (at least to me) a complete de-militarization of both Earth and the colonies. I don't believe that the concept of Justice play much of a part in Wing. There's only Wufei's quasi-"might makes right" mentality and Heero's thing with the Noventa Family, but that's about it on that front. |
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The Sanc Kingdom only had defenses on standby due to Noin NOT believing completely in Relena's "total pacifism" ideals and building up those defenses without her knowing. Otherwise, Relena's intention was to have absolutely no weapons, even if it left the Sanc Kingdom as a huge target beginning to be trampled.
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